Error changed sometime after posting.
Nothing in the code/routes points to the specific domain. Also no code
changes were made when the issue occurred.
Lastly, it has worked intermittently in the past 24 hours as traffic was
logged.
Stack exchange sent me here, as "this was a General
As of about 3 days ago, my w34.us domain started 403ing on Appengine. Other
root domains linked to the same app work, and www.w34.us works.
I checked the DNS settings and they match what Google tells me to use, and
the fact that it makes it to the 403 with a Google Error implies it is not
a
I got an email because the credit card I had attached to an App that is
disabled is also disabled.
I lost my card, so I had it canceled. Turns out that a disabled App is still
trying to bill the card so I'm getting an email about the card declining.
I can't tell if I owe Google $49 or not, but
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[mailto:google-appengine@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Wirtz
Sent: Wednesday, July 2, 2014 5:14 PM
To: google-appengine@googlegroups.com
Subject: [google-appengine] Billing on disabled App?
I got an email because the credit card I had attached to an App that is
disabled
CDN in a Box is a lot like Google's Page Speed, or Cloudflare.com
https://github.com/BlackWaterOps/CDN-in-a-Box/
Because of recent events I decided I was going to make it free for
non-commercial use. The project is Open Source, but doesn't allow
derivatives. Commercial licenses often
Out of curiosity, if you don't mind, what is your scenario?
Those who have been on the list for a long time will recall that I make a
software called “CDN In A Box”. It is a caching and acceleration package for
AppEngine that works as a reverse proxy. This is very efficient when you are
.
This is not the first time this question has come up in this forum. This is
perhaps an area where Google shouldn’t be skimping on their technical support.
-Brandon Wirtz
650-281-1467
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Notices sent to legal-noti...@google.com mailto:legal-noti...@google.com
don’t seem to get a response.
Who do I send TakeDown’s to for unlicensed software violations on AppEngine.
We are fast approaching treating Google as the violator for failure to comply.
-Brandon Wirtz
650-281-1467
An ongoing issue with AppEngine is that the GAE team seems happy to make
changes to the service that break running code. Things that were working stop,
and often there isn’t even 3 days notice the changes are coming.
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We just learned that there is a limit to how fast you can defer to the task
queue. You can only have 10 async requests open at a time, so if you try to
defer 100 things number 11-100 will fail if the scheduler for task 1 doesn’t
respond by the time you get to 11.
This is really annoying
Kaan,
Before most of the questions and answers moved to Stack Overflow, there was a
lot more show and tell on this forum.
I don’t hang out here as much as I used to because the group lost a lot of
community after them move.
I hope people will share more about what they are doing, and why
of the internet at their
disposal, but our NLP engine is about 300 times faster than NTLK, or CoreNLP
so we can do a lot more on the fly.
-Brandon Wirtz
CTO PlexiNLP.com
650-281-1467
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[mailto:google-appengine@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Vinny P
Sent
?
On Feb 28, 2014 2:59 PM, Brandon Wirtz drak...@digerat.com
mailto:drak...@digerat.com wrote:
No hacks. We didn't plan to run NLTK forever.
We have peaks and valleys and no 4 boxes would not handle the amount of
crawling we do.
We wouldn't have stuck with the platform if we thought
We just put out our Open Beta of Plexi Voice. A GoogleNow/Siri like
Conversational Search product. Yes it is for Windows Phone. Yes, it uses
Google AppEngine for all of its backend.
http://www.windowsphone.com/en-us/store/app/plexivoice/9c09f697-657d-4613-ae
67-7e787121d0a4
The code is ours,
this in half of
the time if you had just 4 boxes running with 64gb of ram?
On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Brandon Wirtz drak...@digerat.com
mailto:drak...@digerat.com wrote:
We just put out our Open Beta of Plexi Voice. A GoogleNow/Siri like
Conversational Search product. Yes
I'd tell you to star the item to add this to AppsForDomains, but that
doesn't seem to do any good.
Naked Domains used to work, then they broke it. They clear the stars when
they unbreak it for a few hours, then they break it again.
Also if your naked domain has a different DNS record than your
Apps that are not the primary app have some weird scaling issues. Use
Modules instead of versions so they can talk to each other.
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[mailto:google-appengine@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gary Mort
Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2013 6:20 AM
To:
your
PIN number.
Feel free to create a case or call us to take a closer look into the issue.
Sincerely,
Jose M
Technical Solutions Engineer
Google Cloud Platform
On Wednesday, December 4, 2013 12:24:17 PM UTC-5, Brandon Wirtz wrote:
My AppsForDomains account appears to have gone Poof
-appengine] Google Apps Won't let me set up AppEngine
Apps
On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Brandon Wirtz drak...@digerat.com
mailto:drak...@digerat.com wrote:
It appears I can't set up domains in Apps For Domains. I get the error
shown.
Did you add the domain as a domain alias
Page speed works like Beautiful soup + a CDN
If you don't have a sucky page template, and you serve mostly unique
content, page speed will slow you down a lot.
The request hits the Page Speed Caching Proxy, the caching proxy grabs the
page from Appengine, the proxy recalculate the HTML,
We are still experience slow downs across our apps
stremor-sfe
strremor-apier
seem to have the most issues.
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[mailto:google-appengine@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christina Ilvento
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 9:38 AM
To:
We are making this monitoring tool public facing http://gaemonitor.com/ this
is hosted on Rackspace, and will get a few changes over the next few days,
but it lets you look in to what our apps are doing in terms of performance
of the core API's (datastore, memecache, defer) . It updates every 5
Pretty much. And we check robots before, so that slows things down. But
this is not user facing, This is a background process that happens in
response to user actions.
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[mailto:google-appengine@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of alex
Lots, and lots.
This appears to be a loaded question.
Better questions are things like how much revenue does AppEngine generate
and how many requests a day does it serve
I don't have those answers but some of that is on the web.
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Everything.
At CES we showed off our Language Heuristics Engine. Software that actually
uses understanding of the written word to make very complex decisions about
content classifications, writing style, bias, sentiment, and more. Our core
Liquid Helium runs in an f1, but we typically keep it at
Oh? So you don't use Apps For Domains to Deploy your App? It'd be awesome if
you didn't have to do that, but I kind of think you do.
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[mailto:google-appengine@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Schnitzer
Sent: Sunday, December 9, 2012 8:15 PM
To:
We applied. This is our exact use case.
This would solve many of the limitations we run in to, and save us a lot on
data store duplication.
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Except that if you need it to go to more than 1 you stop getting profit, and
get suffering.
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[mailto:google-appengine@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy
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Subject:
Apps serve only 8 requests concurrently. If you have your min/max pending
latency set wrong you may have a scenario where the 12-16 requests that a
browser will make at a time pushes you to 2 instances with 1 idle.
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Re-Filling out paper work so we'll see how it goes. I will give it every
effort. I am still sad that premiere doesn't come with 24/7 or phone
support.
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Sent: Saturday, November 24,
We have specified 20 with no change. Sometimes it works, then the next week
it won't. Things changed first week in August.
I used to love backends. I'm the guy famous for saying they were magic.
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There's also Mapreduce/Pipeline - you might wanna check that if backend
isn't solving your problem.
We use that some, but that doesn't help with things that take a long time.
If I manage them rather than choosing dynamic we can spin up and down
backends, but if they are user initiated that is a
And at the end of the day, if nothing else works for you, there's also
Compute Engine. Have you tried that?
Yeah, the latency between AppEngine and Compute Engine is often too high for
some of the stuff we want, and without access to the shared datastore we
lose too much along the way.
And
Some other times, for simpler tasks, we employ a little trick by
enqueueing a simple task which would process just the right amount if
data and then re-enqueue itself with a pointer of some kind (often a
datastore cursor) advanced to the next chunk.
When Analyzing a large body of text you
I want things to work the same every day.
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[mailto:google-appengine@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of alex
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 2:58 AM
To: google-appengine@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [google-appengine] Re: Update on our
Also, you should really give Go a try. It's amazing how fast you can
process data (including images) comparing to Python or Java. Plus, your
loading requests will be 10x faster. Obviously, RPC calls to App Engine
services will be the same though.
We profiled GO, a lot of our most CPU intensive
Response to Alex's Go suggestion.
Having extensively tested with Go:
Go handles threads better.
Go uses less memory and is faster doing array reordering and array merges.
This is only true in our experience on up to 3 dimensional arrays. When you
get to N-Dimensional arrays for values of 4
Couldn't agree more.
In the past, quota limits were based on 2 conflicting objectives:
* discouraging people from building non-scalable applications by
restricting APIs time limits.
* discouraging people from using app engine at an unfair cost during
the request pricing regime.
If your app runs in under 20gigs of data, and under 10 instances you have
options. You aren't going to do 100 instances and Terabytes of data.
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http://appengine.google.com/ 500s and All of our sites are down.
So is https://developers.google.com/
https://developers.google.com/appengine/kb/status appengine/kb/status
So is code.google.com/status/appengine
Happy Thanksgiving. Aren't you glad you are on appengine where you can
Can't blame them that the system has issues every now and then.
Sure I can.
75% of downtime:
1 hour before the system goes down someone posts to this group that memcache
is slow.
Holidays:
Pick one. If there is a three day weekend there will be downtime. Last thing
my CEO said
IMO, backends quota limits are mostly problems arising out of bigtable
data migration (for new application versions) joins/aggregates (in
reporting).
A few for instances
We get feeds from Associated Press. When they update the feed and we try to
grab a few hundred images at a time, we hit
: Update on our GAE Experience
On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 10:57 PM, Brandon Wirtz drak...@digerat.com
mailto:drak...@digerat.com wrote:
We were trying to do Large jobs with backends, which are supposed to
autoscale. They don't.
Where did you read that?
Jeff
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I can also assure you it was not a move to CloudFlare.
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Finally! The seeds of an Alex-Brandon dust-up appear!
This group has been so BORING!
David
Sorry, we built a product that makes SRI's Siri look like it understands
language to the same extent your dog understands ready to go for walkies?.
And while we started using the Python NLTK
Does your assessment apply to all runtime environments (Java, Python and
Go)?
We are primarily Python shop. Uptime has been pretty close between Py and
Java, no clue about go.
Support response time I think is the same regardless. So I'm going to say
yes.
But others might argue that
I wanted to take a minute to update you on where we are with our GAE
Experience since people often tell me I live in my own little world of
rainbows and unicorns.
GAE Support sucks. I might as well send messages by carrier pigeons, and
that is generous. Filling out a form for support is like
I'm not quite ready to give referrals in Google's own house. If you follow
me on Facebook/bwirtz you will catch mention from time to time.
You mentioned you have moved things off of GAE. Where are you finding
greener pastures? AWS?
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This is our latest AppEngine App. We will have an API shortly. Drop me an
email at Brandon at Stremor dot Com if you are interested access to the API
which provides sentence segmentation; keyword analysis; extractions of
people, places, dates, phones; sentiment analysis; reading level;
If anyone is interested I'm going to grab lunch at the Schwerma Place on
Shoreline just off the Google Campus. Feel Free to join me and the couple
of people from Stremor.com that are traveling with me. 650-281-1467
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Cache Incoming requests= The thing that I am always accused of. Use Edge
Cache to make sure you don't need to serve people who are asking for the
same thing.
Fault Tolerant writes is about determining how race your race conditions
are, and being smart about your writes.
Common things I see,
The time period you are talking about is minimal. Hard to tell if you broke
something if your instances are being slowed by something, or if you just
have a difference in traffic numbers.
This is my 30 day numbers for one of my larger apps.
For me what happens is Datastore, or Memcache
Set up a proxy. Also anyone using IP address for security is doing it wrong.
.
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That seems pricy. Too bad you can't use a public backend as your www I
could give you code that would do the same things (better) as a code
snippet.
I'll likely do that in few weeks. Too much other stuff to get out the door.
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F4 Vs F2 Vs F1
I'll bet money, your numbers are right and your conclusion is wrong. F4's
have more memory, and more CPU, and more IO but the difference I'm 90%
certain is that you get a whole VM all to yourself so your neighbors aren't
stealing from you. :-) so you get a crap ton more
Cloud flare would still suck the uncompressed file down and then zip it,
that is unlikely to speed things up.
Check my old posts about headers for edge cache, my guess is that you have
the expiration set in the past or immediately which causes Edgecache to not
compression most mime types.
Agree. We are a lean startup, with no servers, no sysadmin, and no fear of
growth. I'd like to see that be the norm, not the edge.
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[mailto:google-appengine@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jon Stevens
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 3:10 PM
To:
Use a time stamp in the request, and Edgecache can cache the request. That
will let you serve massive numbers of users pretty cheap.
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[mailto:google-appengine@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Johnson
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 10:29 PM
To:
, minus the budget of course :-) And it took a lot
longer than a weekend to develop. Please have a try and join our project to
help us make it the best of the best. Thanks!
On Thursday, 12 January 2012 07:29:33 UTC-5, Brandon Wirtz wrote:
I can blame Google for that too. Why isn't
I sent an inquiry on June 1, and then again on the 11th. No one got back to
me. That doesn't give my CEO warm fuzzies. Does someone want to call me
about taking my money?
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I know exactly how much every request cost me.
cpm_usd=0.000308
cpm_usd=0.000175
As to the latency changes in pricing are no different than when AWS has a
performance issue. (actually less so)
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These numbers tell you how much a request cost, but don't tell you how
much another identical request will cost.
The variance between my identical requests is less than 10%.
In relation to multi-threading, I only see a variance on the downside of a
Spike, when I have Idle instances. That
Sure... and you probably wouldn't want to either given how insanely
expensive backend RAM is on GAE. But your app is a bit of an oddity, and
fits
into a quirk of GAE's pricing model. You primarily consume two resources
that Google doesn't charge for - memcache and edge caching. This is is
We have a few hundred domains running on an app, it seems to work just fine.
Thread safe enabled. Are you sure you aren't doing some caching on your end
that needs to be domain aware and is not?
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If I was spreading misinformation you would have served me (another)
CD. We have been there, done that. Didn't work out last time.
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PS. My porn site received 5 visitors yesterday. I don't really want
to be in the porn business, I just want to know if the world changes
one day and Google turns the site off. It is a Canary.
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Very weak point. GAE also has a pool of shared IP adresses and allows
hardcore pornography. You should know best since you've created your
own porn site on GAE and posted it everywhere in this group for your
little policy-test.
I think it is a very strong point. If you install CloudFlare to
Actually, since so much of App Engine Apps tend to be dependent on
API's, the Language doesn't make much difference in cost. A DataStore
Read or Write is the same cost in either. New instances seem to spin
up faster (for me) in python than Java, which gets you a small
savings. Java has better
Because GAE isn't hardened when you aren't running it on localhost, (and
even though you can bind it to an outside IP). I would recommend that you
setup a local Reverse Proxy to bind to your outside IP. Even a Reverse NAT
with Firewall would be a better setup than exposing GAE to the world
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These are my current numbers from my primary app as reported by memcache
viewer
Hit count:620755
Miss count: 2302621
Hit ratio: 21%
Item count:511030 item(s)
Total cache size: 1381176411 byte(s)
Oldest item age: 3
Damon,
Seeing as you only hit up the GAE forums when you want to push your product,
you are a spammer.
That said. Since you want to claim your product competes with my product,
and that I'm a Kia to your Rolls Royce, I'll play.
My typical client has a $30k a month bill with their current
Jeff,
Glad you have good luck. That hasn't been the case for many others, and it
is not just the captcha.
Several Schools found that their students couldn't go to their own sites
because the Net Nanny deemed their School Porn sites because of a Shared IP.
Sites have been delisted after the
Honestly, it feels like your crying customers really just needed someone
competent to click the right buttons at CloudFlare. It really isn't
rocket
science either; the UI is pretty straightforward.
Jeff
And I'm the jerk?
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Vlad,
I donate a lot of time and resources to freedom of speech and human rights
organizations. So we have servers in some really nasty places. And DNS in
those places as well. I really wanted to have an Oceania server, but can't
justify the price, and the blocking of content is usually of
Competitive would imply we actively compete in the market. Rolls Royce
doesn't compete with Kia. Both make cars that is where the comparison ends.
Or that Tent's compete with the housing market. Our Commercial Product does
so much more than CF ever dreamed that they aren't in the same league,
I dropped 30 Gigs of data, Datastore admin reflects it, but billing and
dashboard does not.
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If you use CloudFlare you will be sad. You can put a Proxy/Squid on AWS and
Use Route53 to do Geo-Balancing.
CF often gets blocked by well... Pretty much everything because it is used
by Pirates and Porn sites, and quite often you will share IP's with those.
Plus CloudFlare will throw Captcha's
1. I have never viewed myself as a Cloud Flare Competitor. We built a
Product because Cloud Flare F***ED so many bloggers and local businesses
that we needed something that they could use as a stop gap until they could
move to infrastructure that worked.
2. BULL CRAP
3. Infrequently yeah... When
If you had network issues between locations, your traffic could be less
evenly distributed, and would as a result make your app peakier.
Set your max pending latency higher and your cost won't fluctuate when
network latency changes the instantaneous request rate.
From:
Sorry. Why do you think that was there issue, not your DNS Provider, or some
other issue?
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Porn is allowed. http://suckingon.appspot.com is my personal porn site set
up when they said you could host porn on Appspot.
You however can't have an AppsForDomains Domain name with any words from a
long list of words that are not that pornographic
Like you can't have the domain,
Use Pycrypto.
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[mailto:google-appengine@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of AppDev
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 6:28 PM
To: google-appengine@googlegroups.com
Subject: [google-appengine] Can I use python-gnupg in my application?
I'm writing a service that
This min charge is dumb, and I got snagged on this too. Why can't you just
be billed only if you go over?
Because Google is losing money on you already. I don't have insight in to
the exact numbers, but much like banks with Checking and Savings Accounts.
Banks lose money on accounts with less
Build for Facebook Scale, or don't bother to build. That's my battle cry.
If you don't aim for the stars you will never reach the moon.
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You can block URL Fetches from GAE by checking the request headers which
will identify as both GAE and the Application ID that is making the request.
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Hey, who said you get to play good cop this time??
I always play the good cop. I beat the dumb people, they get smarter long
term. It's all about how long it takes to see that I'm right. ;-)
Oh you meant the Nice cop. Yeah well, I figure this guy is just passing
by. He won't be here in a
it. Then when people complain in the forums we could
say RTFM and be done with it.
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Our application is new and 100% build and optimized for GAE.
I realize English may not be your primary language, but you did read the
article your wrote right?
Optimized for GAE and Uses Sessions are not the same. Also, if you
check stack overflow there are about 1000 posts telling you
I saw there is a GAE Page Speed Trusted tester program.
I just added my name to the list.
But has anyone ever seen an improvement using this? All the tests I have
run it has slowed down my sites. Granted Nothing from google is likely to be
as cool as my CDNinaBox.com product. but even
http://www.webpagetest.org/result/120417_W7_94a0f5bf6f59e2865b3d0725dccbca1b
/
In case you want a sample result.
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[mailto:google-appengine@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Wirtz
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 10:24 PM
To: google-appengine
hosting costs more. No support contract will fix that.
There is a last use case for the $500. GAE is guaranteed to stick around
for you longer. Though if 90% of GAE went away, you wouldn't want to stick
around long because all the elasticity would have gone out of it.
Brandon Wirtz
My guess is that the number is close to 60s. If GAE gets marginally
slower, it pushes you over the edge.
I'll be doing a video very shortly about how to keep your Instances from
dying on startup. But one easy way to tell if this is the issue is to up
your instance size AND test that you are
rocket science but I have seen this crop up on the
list before so I am posting this so that it can be found by Search Engines.
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GAE is a PaaS not a IaaS. Your comment implies you are treating GAE as the
latter not the former. As long as that is your mindset you will always be
very sad, and unhappy with the service and how your software performs on it.
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MemCache will use Namespace for multi-tenant apps. And while it has always
been a bit vague as to the size of the MemCache. If I have 100 Tenants with
100 name spaces. Does each one get 1/100th the memcache? Or do I magically
get 100x the memcache amount?
I'm about to have one of my own test
Never Mind. My data about how things works seems to be old. I have 610M of
memcache at the moment, on a single tenant. So even if that is shared across
100 tenants life will still be happy.
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Pricing is on the website. If you want to know the cost to run an app you
built, build a skeleton that simulates the operations you are going to
perform and test.
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How do you talk to App Engine team in person? sign me up :)
Option A: (If you are fast)
Google IO.
Option B: (If you have a budget for Alcohol)
Go to Mountain View and Invite everyone from the AppEngine List for Beer.
Option C: (If you are in the Pacific Rim)
Travel to Australia and Kidnap
3 minutes.
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