[google-appengine] Re: a fundamental increase in App Engine transparency and locality is needed

2009-03-09 Thread Myroslav Opyr
Hi, Thank you for stepping in. What I've found myself wasting a lot of time with is quite inefficient navigation in GAE Status panel. Investigating current performance graphs I find myself repeatedly visiting 27th of Feb graphs and actual graphs and comparing scales. Can you invest a bit more

[google-appengine] Re: a fundamental increase in App Engine transparency and locality is needed

2009-03-07 Thread GregF
Raw data is good - I didn't realise you could click through to the performance graphs on the status page. But currently it only shows the past performance, and leaves us guessing about the future. During the recent issue, I posted a complaint about lack of feedback, and Pete Koomen's response

[google-appengine] Re: a fundamental increase in App Engine transparency and locality is needed

2009-03-06 Thread GregF
Interesting. Our app has paying customers, so this week's latencies have been pretty stressful - but I don't agree with you. We have dedicated servers for our old apps, and use Appengine for new ones. When old customers call asking about problems, the world is on my shoulders - I have total

[google-appengine] Re: a fundamental increase in App Engine transparency and locality is needed

2009-03-06 Thread peterk
It's an interesting issue...I think we're all happy for things to behave pretty much like a black box when stuff is working as it's meant to, but are we so happy with that when things aren't working? Personally I don't need to know who specifically is responsible for the machines my apps run on,

[google-appengine] Re: a fundamental increase in App Engine transparency and locality is needed

2009-03-06 Thread Jon McAlister
This is a very interesting thread. And yes, indeed, cluster stability and uptime and transparency are all of the utmost importance to us here on the App Engine team. I also agree that a fundamental increase in transparency would serve everyone's interests. As far as I can tell, transparency

[google-appengine] Re: a fundamental increase in App Engine transparency and locality is needed

2009-03-06 Thread Bryan A. Pendleton
Jon, I think we'd all agree that an automatically published report is better than a), or b). However, because there's Secret Sauce running behind App Engine, surely a myriad of infrastructure details that you'll never be allowed to publish detailed data on, c) will also probably never be enough.

[google-appengine] Re: a fundamental increase in App Engine transparency and locality is needed

2009-03-06 Thread Steve Robillard
Jon, I agree and would add that publishing raw data would also require some educational resource for those of us who are not network or system engineers Steve -Original Message- From: google-appengine@googlegroups.com [ mailto:google-appengine@googlegroups.com