[Google Maps API v3] Re: Storing geocoding results

2012-06-12 Thread Rossko
> I want Google to answer this > question clearly. They do, they publish their terms and conditions. https://developers.google.com/maps/terms Those of us that need help to fully understand these will need to hire our own lawyer. Those terms have been updated since this thread was last active, so

[Google Maps API v3] Re: Storing geocoding results

2012-06-12 Thread dy
Hi, I am interested in this topic, too. So what is the conclusion? Is it OK to store geocoded data using Google Maps in persistent layer such as a regular database like Oracle, Datastore in GAE, etc? I am planning to develop a web application that lists all the registered properties close to your

[Google Maps API v3] Re: Storing geocoding results

2011-10-28 Thread Rossko
> > In the FAQs received by this person from Google, it says: "Bulk geocoding > > and caching is allowed, with the understanding that the geocodes are for > > use with a Google Map at some time." Yes, see terms 10.1.3(b), that's why I said the purpose was relevant. > > In my case, the points will

[Google Maps API v3] Re: Storing geocoding results

2011-10-28 Thread mydoghasworms
Without you having to read all the above, what I found in another thread was someone telling how Google had sent them some FAQs indicating that it would be OK to use the geocoding results if it was going to be used on Google Maps again (which is what I intend to do), but this is not specified i

[Google Maps API v3] Re: Storing geocoding results

2011-10-28 Thread mydoghasworms
Thanks Davie and Rossko for your replies. Rossko makes a good point: The fact that you are using Google's tools for determining the data could mean that they own the data even though a user placed the marker on the map. Whether they own that or not, the question then is whether and how they al

[Google Maps API v3] Re: Storing geocoding results

2011-10-28 Thread Rossko
> If the user then moves the marker to a new position the coordinates > is not Google generated data.Otherwise Google has the copyright to all > lat lng coordinates in the world??? But there is an argument that any coordinate taken from a Google map is 'derived data'. If you went out and surveyed

[Google Maps API v3] Re: Storing geocoding results

2011-10-28 Thread davie strachan
Hi The geocoder only places a marker on the map to the coordinates supplied by Google If the user then moves the marker to a new position the coordinates is not Google generated data.Otherwise Google has the copyright to all lat lng coordinates in the world??? As long as you dont store any data dir

[Google Maps API v3] Re: Storing geocoding results

2011-10-28 Thread mydoghasworms
Thanks Rossko, you bring up an interesting point: To me, "caching" means a temporary storage (e.g. for performance) that does not live beyond the session, which is different from some persistent storage, like a database, for example, where the value is associated with other data. But maybe my u

[Google Maps API v3] Re: Storing geocoding results

2011-10-28 Thread Rossko
> 1) Add or subtract 1.0E-10 from the long or lat so that it is not > technically the result from the geocode. But it is still directly derived from Google data, "derived work", not good enough? (no lawyer) You could display the geocode with offset to the user, so forcing/ encouraging them to dra

Re: [Google Maps API v3] Re: Storing geocoding results

2011-10-28 Thread mydoghasworms
Thanks Andrew. So it sounds like you just need a technical loophole to prevent you actually using the data from a geocoded result, and then you are covered. I have thought of the following approaches: 1) Add or subtract 1.0E-10 from the long or lat so that it is not technically the result from

Re: [Google Maps API v3] Re: Storing geocoding results

2011-10-28 Thread Andrew Leach
On 28 October 2011 12:05, mydoghasworms wrote: > > The thing is that if you geocode the location to begin with and it is > correct, there is no incentive for the user to move the marker after that. There is an incentive if it's the marker's moveend event which enables the OK button to send the da

[Google Maps API v3] Re: Storing geocoding results

2011-10-28 Thread mydoghasworms
Thanks very much for the reply Davie. Seems like this is a bit of a minefield. So let's say that I also give the user the option to find a place with autocomplete, then place the marker based on the location chosen by the user from the autocomplete (without the user subsequently moving the mar

[Google Maps API v3] Re: Storing geocoding results

2011-10-28 Thread davie strachan
Hi It is generally conceded that the procedure below is within TOS 1.Geocode and place marker 2.Get user to to move marker to exact location 3 Save the new location + all the other data provided by user you require to database Step 2 ensures that the lat/lng data is not the data Google provides Re