Re: [gpfsug-discuss] Spectrum Scale licensing - important correction

2020-04-16 Thread Michael Sedlmayer
One more important distinction with the DDN installations. Most DDN systems were deployed with an OEM license of GPFS v4. That license allowed DDN to use GPFS on their hardware appliance, but and didn't ever equate to an IBM software license. To my knowledge, DDN has not been a reseller of

Re: [gpfsug-discuss] Spectrum Scale licensing - important correction

2020-04-16 Thread Flanders, Dean
Hello Carl, Thanks for the clarification. I have always heard the term "existing customers" so originally I thought we were fine, but this is the first time I have seen the term "existing systems". However, it seems what I said before is mostly correct, eventually all customers will be forced

[gpfsug-discuss] Spectrum Scale licensing - Lenovo information

2020-04-16 Thread Michael Hennecke
Hi, Thanks a lot Carl for these clarifications. Some additions from the Lenovo side: Lenovo *GSS* (which is no longer sold, but still fully supported) uses the socked-based Spectrum Scale Standard Edition or Advanced Edition. We provide both a 4.2 based version and a 5.0 based version of the

Re: [gpfsug-discuss] Spectrum Scale licensing - important correction

2020-04-16 Thread Carl Zetie - ca...@us.ibm.com
> From my understanding existing customers from DDN, Lenovo, etc. that have v4 > with socket based licenses >are not entitled v5 licenses socket licenses. Is that a correct understanding? It is not, and I apologize in advance for the length of this explanation. I want to be precise and as

Re: [gpfsug-discuss] gpfs filesets question

2020-04-16 Thread Bryan Banister
If my memory serves… any move of files between filesets requires data to be moved, regardless of pool allocation for the files that need to be moved, and regardless if they are dependent filesets are both in the same independent fileset. -Bryan From: gpfsug-discuss-boun...@spectrumscale.org

Re: [gpfsug-discuss] gpfs filesets question

2020-04-16 Thread Oesterlin, Robert
Moving data between filesets is like moving files between file systems. Normally when you move files between directories, it’s simple metadata, but with filesets (dependent or independent) is a full copy and delete of the old data. Bob Oesterlin Sr Principal Storage Engineer, Nuance From:

Re: [gpfsug-discuss] gpfs filesets question

2020-04-16 Thread Frederick Stock
The information you provided is useful but we would need more information to understand what is happening.  Specifically the mapping of filesets to GPFS storage pools, and the source and destination of the data that is to be moved.  If the data to be moved is in storage pool A and is being moved

Re: [gpfsug-discuss] gpfs filesets question

2020-04-16 Thread J. Eric Wonderley
Hi Fred: I do. I have 3 pools. system, ssd data pool(fc_ssd400G) and a spinning disk pool(fc_8T). I want to think the ssd_data_pool is empty at the moment and the system pool is ssd and only contains metadata. [root@cl005 ~]# mmdf home -P fc_ssd400G diskdisk size failure holds

Re: [gpfsug-discuss] gpfs filesets question

2020-04-16 Thread Frederick Stock
Do you have more than one GPFS storage pool in the system?  If you do and they align with the filesets then that might explain why moving data from one fileset to another is causing increased IO operations. Fred__Fred Stock | IBM Pittsburgh Lab |

[gpfsug-discuss] gpfs filesets question

2020-04-16 Thread J. Eric Wonderley
I have filesets setup in a filesystem...looks like: [root@cl005 ~]# mmlsfileset home -L Filesets in file system 'home': NameId RootInode ParentId Created InodeSpace MaxInodesAllocInodes Comment root 0

Re: [gpfsug-discuss] Spectrum Scale licensing - important correction

2020-04-16 Thread Flanders, Dean
Hello Carl, Yes, for existing IBM direct customers that may have been the case for v4 to v5. However, from my understanding if a customer bought GPFS/SS via DDN, Lenovo, etc. with embedded systems licenses, this is not the case. From my understanding existing customers from DDN, Lenovo, etc.

Re: [gpfsug-discuss] Spectrum Scale licensing - important correction

2020-04-16 Thread Carl Zetie - ca...@us.ibm.com
Folks, I need to correct a common misunderstanding that is perpetuated here: > As IBM has completely switched to capacity based licensing in order to use SS > v5 For new customers, Scale is priced Per TB (we also have Per PB licenses now for convenience). This transition was completed in

Re: [gpfsug-discuss] Mmhealth events longwaiters_found and deadlock_detected

2020-04-16 Thread Anna Greim
Hi Heiner, I'm not really able to give you insights into the decision of the events' states. Maybe somebody else is able to answer here. But about your triggering debug data collection question, please have a look at this documentation page:

[gpfsug-discuss] Mmhealth events longwaiters_found and deadlock_detected

2020-04-16 Thread Billich Heinrich Rainer (ID SD)
Hello, I’m puzzled about the difference between the two mmhealth events longwaiters_found ERROR Detected Spectrum Scale long-waiters and deadlock_detected WARNINGThe cluster detected a Spectrum Scale filesystem deadlock Especially why the later has level WARNING only while the