Re: Why not using Lenya

2005-03-18 Thread David Sean Taylor
Stéphane Croisier wrote: At 13:15 18/03/2005, you wrote: [snip] So to come back to more concrete things regarding Graffito, IMHO it would be great to have this CMS Framework layer project launched on top of Jackrabbit. Call it Graffito or Lenya CMS Framework or Jackrabbit Framework, I do not car

Re: Why not using Magnolia

2005-03-18 Thread Stéphane Croisier
At 14:29 18/03/2005, you wrote: Actually, there are some advances behind the doors because there's a strong demand from the ASF and LGPL projects themselves. The LGPL ban is not ??? missing some words ??? Not really, when you get a package under a given licence, you get a copy of the licence and t

RE: Why not using Lenya

2005-03-18 Thread LOMBART Christophe
-Original Message- From: Stéphane Croisier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 3/18/2005 2:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Subject:RE: Why not using Lenya At 13:15 18/03/2005, you wrote: >And is it better to reinvent the wheel? >The JCR will perhaps be a >success

RE: Why not using Lenya

2005-03-18 Thread Stéphane Croisier
At 13:15 18/03/2005, you wrote: >Each CMS (including Jahia ;-) ) will need something like that on top of >Jackrabbit. For example creating definitions on top of Jackrabbit is >quite(too) complex for a CMS user/integrator and you need some kind of >abstract management layer in-between. So we have th

Re: Why not using Magnolia

2005-03-18 Thread Raphaël Luta
Stéphane Croisier wrote: At 13:16 18/03/2005, you wrote: Actually, this may change soon, provided the LGPL-based project is willing to provide a "clarification of intent" like Hibernate which clearly states how they see the LGPL apply in the java context. IMO, there are better LGPL-alike licenses

Re: Why not using Magnolia

2005-03-18 Thread Michael Wechner
Michael Aemisegger wrote: Michael Wechner wrote: Michael Aemisegger wrote: Dear list I hope you don't mind bothering you with this question again. I've read the thread about Lenya and haven't found arguments that would counteract Magnolia. Why not using Magnolia? I don't think so this thread was

Re: Why not using Magnolia

2005-03-18 Thread Stéphane Croisier
At 13:16 18/03/2005, you wrote: Actually, this may change soon, provided the LGPL-based project is willing to provide a "clarification of intent" like Hibernate which clearly states how they see the LGPL apply in the java context. IMO, there are better LGPL-alike licenses that can non-ambigously

Mapping of Items

2005-03-18 Thread Sandro Böhme
Hello Christophe, at the jackrabbit mailing list you said, you may want to implement a mapping layer between java objects and node objects. If there is nothing yet started in this direction I would try to implement a first version of it. If there is already some work done, I would like to partic

Re: Why not using Magnolia

2005-03-18 Thread Raphaël Luta
Stéphane Croisier wrote: At 11:10 18/03/2005, Michael Wechner wrote: I can't tell for sure whether the licenses of Apache and Magnolia can go together. AFAIK Magnolia uses LGPL and this might not work out to all ends in the combination with the Apache license. To be clearer: http://wiki.apache.

RE: Why not using Lenya

2005-03-18 Thread LOMBART Christophe
-Original Message- From: Stéphane Croisier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 3/18/2005 10:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Subject:Re: Why not using Lenya >Each CMS (including Jahia ;-) ) will need something like that on top of >Jackrabbit. For example creating d

Re: Why not using Magnolia

2005-03-18 Thread Stéphane Croisier
At 11:10 18/03/2005, Michael Wechner wrote: I can't tell for sure whether the licenses of Apache and Magnolia can go together. AFAIK Magnolia uses LGPL and this might not work out to all ends in the combination with the Apache license. To be clearer: http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta/Using_20LGPL_27

Re: Why not using Magnolia

2005-03-18 Thread Michael Aemisegger
Michael Wechner wrote: Michael Aemisegger wrote: Dear list I hope you don't mind bothering you with this question again. I've read the thread about Lenya and haven't found arguments that would counteract Magnolia. Why not using Magnolia? I don't think so this thread was about why using which CMS,

RE: Why not using Magnolia

2005-03-18 Thread LOMBART Christophe
Thanks Michi to speak about this kind of issues. Comments are welcome. Christophe -Original Message- From: Michael Wechner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 3/18/2005 11:10 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Subject:Re: Why not using Magnolia Michael Aemisegger wrote:

Re: Why not using Magnolia

2005-03-18 Thread Michael Aemisegger
LOMBART Christophe wrote: I saw your jetspeed demo and it seems to be very good. Merci, Thank you for the flowers. Is it possible to see the code used for this demo ? Not yet, I'm sorry. I can explain how I did what. Our product targets end users with no technical skills, so there is no such thin

Re: Why not using Lenya

2005-03-18 Thread Michael Wechner
LOMBART Christophe wrote: Michael Wechner wrote: I guess Lenya has similar goals, but uses a different approach Can you explain ? I'm really interesting to get more info on Leyna. The idea of Lenya is to offer a CM Framework by enhancing Cocoon by CM componets, but also a CMS "nearly o

Re: Why not using Magnolia

2005-03-18 Thread Michael Wechner
Michael Aemisegger wrote: Dear list I hope you don't mind bothering you with this question again. I've read the thread about Lenya and haven't found arguments that would counteract Magnolia. Why not using Magnolia? I don't think so this thread was about why using which CMS, but rather why do va

RE: Why not using Magnolia

2005-03-18 Thread LOMBART Christophe
I saw your jetspeed demo and it seems to be very good. Is it possible to see the code used for this demo ? We should definetly see what we have in common. Can you present Graffito to the Magnolia community ? Of course, The Magnolia community is welcome here. I'm sure Magnilia & Graffito will hav

Re: Why not using Lenya

2005-03-18 Thread Stéphane Croisier
At 23:47 17/03/2005, Michael Wechner wrote: Concerning the JCR support, we want to maximize the abstraction on the repository. JCR is certainly a very nice spec but it is too low level API. I can't image to use the JCR object model (Node, Item & Property) in some portlets, jsp pages, ... I pref

Why not using Magnolia

2005-03-18 Thread Michael Aemisegger
Dear list I hope you don't mind bothering you with this question again. I've read the thread about Lenya and haven't found arguments that would counteract Magnolia. Why not using Magnolia? Let me put it short. Magnolia is a J2EE compliant, open source CMS, see http://www.magnolia.info/en/commun

Re: Why not using Lenya

2005-03-18 Thread LOMBART Christophe
Michael Wechner wrote: > I guess Lenya has similar goals, but uses a different approach Can you explain ? I'm really interesting to get more info on Leyna. > >> Concerning the JCR support, we want to maximize the abstraction on the >> repository. JCR is certainly a very nice spec but it is to