Re: [GRASS-dev] [GRASS-PSC] too many branches = retirement GRASS6.5.svn (=develbranch6)

2014-04-09 Thread Moritz Lennert
On 09/04/14 03:17, Vaclav Petras wrote: On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 9:09 PM, Glynn Clements gl...@gclements.plus.com mailto:gl...@gclements.plus.com wrote: If there's no Python installed, the installer can install it. If Python is installed and the version is compatible, the installer can

Re: [GRASS-dev] [GRASS-PSC] too many branches = retirement GRASS6.5.svn (=develbranch6)

2014-04-09 Thread Yann Chemin
Agreeing with Moritz, In other words, there are some types of users (those that don't read anything provided by the developers) for whom I am sometimes tempted to just say RTFM instead of trying to find ways to make it possible for them to still use GRASS I used to start my GRASS GIS courses by

Re: [GRASS-dev] [GRASS-PSC] too many branches = retirement GRASS6.5.svn (=develbranch6)

2014-04-09 Thread Markus Metz
On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 9:21 AM, Moritz Lennert mlenn...@club.worldonline.be wrote: On 09/04/14 03:17, Vaclav Petras wrote: On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 9:09 PM, Glynn Clements gl...@gclements.plus.com mailto:gl...@gclements.plus.com wrote: If there's no Python installed, the installer can

Re: [GRASS-dev] [GRASS-PSC] too many branches = retirement GRASS6.5.svn (=develbranch6)

2014-04-09 Thread Markus Neteler
On 4/9/14, Yann Chemin yche...@gmail.com wrote: I used to start my GRASS GIS courses by saying to students that this is not going to work if you do not read the instructions. Not sure about this. Was just teaching GRASS GIS 7.0.0beta1 and it worked pretty well. I would not 'threaten' them in

Re: [GRASS-dev] [GRASS-PSC] too many branches = retirement GRASS6.5.svn (=develbranch6)

2014-04-09 Thread Helmut Kudrnovsky
One Windows problem is that there is no package manager who takes the user's hand which is the reason for these large standalone applications on MS Windows. [...] Personally, I am a bit afraid that by going down the first route we concentrate much developer time that could be spent on other

Re: [GRASS-dev] [GRASS-PSC] too many branches = retirement GRASS6.5.svn (=develbranch6)

2014-04-08 Thread Moritz Lennert
On 07/04/14 23:13, Glynn Clements wrote: Moritz Lennert wrote: In my understanding we were still quite far away from solving the python on windows issues. That depends upon what you consider the issue to be. If the user already has a compatible version of Python and the required libraries

Re: [GRASS-dev] [GRASS-PSC] too many branches = retirement GRASS6.5.svn (=develbranch6)

2014-04-08 Thread Vaclav Petras
On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 9:09 PM, Glynn Clements gl...@gclements.plus.comwrote: If there's no Python installed, the installer can install it. If Python is installed and the version is compatible, the installer can install any required packages. Otherwise, it can at least inform the user of the

Re: [GRASS-dev] [GRASS-PSC] too many branches = retirement GRASS6.5.svn (=develbranch6)

2014-04-07 Thread Moritz Lennert
On 06/04/14 15:25, Martin Landa wrote: Hi, 2014-04-06 15:16 GMT+02:00 Moritz Lennert mlenn...@club.worldonline.be: As already mentioned I was also a bit surprised by this. I'm not sure we are really ready for something more than a tech-preview (and not a real release), but maybe it could be

Re: [GRASS-dev] [GRASS-PSC] too many branches = retirement GRASS6.5.svn (=develbranch6)

2014-04-07 Thread Moritz Lennert
On 07/04/14 00:19, Helena Mitasova wrote: I believe that we have a communication problem here rather than a disagreement about the GRASS6.5: Hamish says: GRASS 6.x is already far along into bugfix maintenance mode. *Please, just leave it to naturally and quietly make its way into history.* I

Re: [GRASS-dev] [GRASS-PSC] too many branches = retirement GRASS6.5.svn (=develbranch6)

2014-04-07 Thread Benjamin Ducke
On 07/04/14 11:22, Moritz Lennert wrote: On 06/04/14 15:25, Martin Landa wrote: Hi, 2014-04-06 15:16 GMT+02:00 Moritz Lennert mlenn...@club.worldonline.be: As already mentioned I was also a bit surprised by this. I'm not sure we are really ready for something more than a tech-preview (and

Re: [GRASS-dev] [GRASS-PSC] too many branches = retirement GRASS6.5.svn (=develbranch6)

2014-04-07 Thread Maris Nartiss
As goes for encoding issues - I would like to see one change made for attribute data handling. As correct encoding needs to be used in quite many places (Python 3; multiple output formats as OGR ESRI Shapefile; KML etc.), I would propose to add data encoding to the database connection

Re: [GRASS-dev] [GRASS-PSC] too many branches = retirement GRASS6.5.svn (=develbranch6)

2014-04-07 Thread Markus Metz
On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 12:19 AM, Helena Mitasova hmit...@ncsu.edu wrote: I believe that we have a communication problem here rather than a disagreement about the GRASS6.5: Hamish says: GRASS 6.x is already far along into bugfix maintenance mode. *Please, just leave it to naturally and

Re: [GRASS-dev] [GRASS-PSC] too many branches = retirement GRASS6.5.svn (=develbranch6)

2014-04-07 Thread Michael Barton
While I agree with this overall, I don’t see why we need 2 GRASS branches. What is the value in 2 GRASS 6 branches that cannot be achieved with 1 branch? Michael __ C. Michael Barton Director, Center for Social Dynamics Complexity Professor of Anthropology, School

Re: [GRASS-dev] [GRASS-PSC] too many branches = retirement GRASS6.5.svn (=develbranch6)

2014-04-07 Thread Glynn Clements
Michael Barton wrote: While I agree with this overall, I don�t see why we need 2 GRASS branches. What is the value in 2 GRASS 6 branches that cannot be achieved with 1 branch? If 6.x is going to maintenance-only, we don't need two branches for it. Just a release branch, with releases as

Re: [GRASS-dev] [GRASS-PSC] too many branches = retirement GRASS6.5.svn (=develbranch6)

2014-04-07 Thread Glynn Clements
Moritz Lennert wrote: In my understanding we were still quite far away from solving the python on windows issues. That depends upon what you consider the issue to be. If the user already has a compatible version of Python and the required libraries correctly installed, there isn't any

Re: [GRASS-dev] [GRASS-PSC] too many branches = retirement GRASS6.5.svn (=develbranch6)

2014-04-07 Thread Helmut Kudrnovsky
Markus Metz-3 wrote Since the code base of devbr6 and relbr6 is largely identical, the same fix can be applied to both branches which is not a lot of work. ___ grass-psc mailing list grass-psc at .osgeo

Re: [GRASS-dev] [GRASS-PSC] too many branches = retirement GRASS6.5.svn (=develbranch6)

2014-04-06 Thread Moritz Lennert
On 06/04/14 13:46, Hamish wrote: First of all, I believe this discussion belongs on the grass-dev list, not PSC. See RFC1. CC'in to dev-list releasebranch70 should not have been branched until 7.0RC1. Until RC1 it is just wasted effort to keep the two of them as a 1:1 mirror, so what's

Re: [GRASS-dev] [GRASS-PSC] too many branches = retirement GRASS6.5.svn (=develbranch6)

2014-04-06 Thread Martin Landa
2014-04-06 15:16 GMT+02:00 Moritz Lennert mlenn...@club.worldonline.be: Hamish, maybe you could be the official grass6 maintainer, managing the whole grass6 development in the way you propose, i.e. any new development and bugfixes first go into grass6dev for a period of testing, before _you_

Re: [GRASS-dev] [GRASS-PSC] too many branches = retirement GRASS6.5.svn (=develbranch6)

2014-04-06 Thread Markus Metz
On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Moritz Lennert mlenn...@club.worldonline.be wrote: On 06/04/14 13:46, Hamish wrote: As mentioned before, I wish to use the bulk of my grass dev time maintaining the grass 6 line. To do that properly I need a staging area, and devbr6 is it. I don't see the

Re: [GRASS-dev] [GRASS-PSC] too many branches = retirement GRASS6.5.svn (=develbranch6)

2014-04-06 Thread Massimiliano Cannata
My 1 cent or less... I think grass7 shold be the focus of the project now, the place where new stuff should be developed, and that versions 6 are for bugfix only. Why should I develop something new not in the latest software version? All this thinking of a good enough version 7 (which I think

Re: [GRASS-dev] [GRASS-PSC] too many branches = retirement GRASS6.5.svn (=develbranch6)

2014-04-06 Thread Helena Mitasova
I believe that we have a communication problem here rather than a disagreement about the GRASS6.5: Hamish says: GRASS 6.x is already far along into bugfix maintenance mode. *Please, just leave it to naturally and quietly make its way into history.* I wish to use the bulk of my grass dev time

Re: [GRASS-dev] [GRASS-PSC] too many branches = retirement GRASS6.5.svn (=develbranch6)

2014-04-06 Thread Yann Chemin
+1 I also think we should stop GRASS 6 development On 6 April 2014 19:01, Martin Landa landa.mar...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-04-06 15:16 GMT+02:00 Moritz Lennert mlenn...@club.worldonline.be: Hamish, maybe you could be the official grass6 maintainer, managing the whole grass6 development in