[Groff-commit] groff ChangeLog Makefile.in

2011-07-29 Thread Werner LEMBERG
CVSROOT:/cvsroot/groff Module name:groff Changes by: Werner LEMBERG wl 11/07/29 20:16:42 Modified files: . : ChangeLog Makefile.in Log message: Fix cross building. Problem reported by Christophe Jarry christophe.ja...@ouvaton.org.

Re: Groff 1.21 does not build when cross-compiling

2011-07-29 Thread Christophe Jarry
After modifying Makefile.in a first time, I found out I forgot the last backslash (on `test -t` line). Finally thanks to your patch `make` now completes. Thanks a lot! Christophe ___ bug-groff mailing list bug-groff@gnu.org

Re: Groff 1.21 does not build when cross-compiling

2011-07-29 Thread Werner LEMBERG
checking whether we are cross compiling... configure: error: in `/microcebus/build/groff-1.21/src/libs/gnulib': configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs. It looks that the original config args should be passed to src/libs/gnulib/configure. Could you try the attached patch?

Re: [Groff] gropdf and pdfroff

2011-07-29 Thread Anton
Pierre-Jean: My user opinion is that letting a postprocessor change the structure of a document is confusing. I don't like pdfroff for this reason. In my humble opinion, writing the table of content in the begining of a document is a job for a troff macro. But this would require

Re: [Groff] gropdf and pdfroff

2011-07-29 Thread Ralph Corderoy
Hi Anton, But this would require the somewhat non-standard way of using troff in two passes. Is it non-standard? I thought the normal way was to set up two passes, or more strictly a loop until everything settles down into place, as this is how TeX does it too IIRC. Not that TeX's way of

Re: [Groff] gropdf and pdfroff

2011-07-29 Thread Werner LEMBERG
My user opinion is that letting a postprocessor change the structure of a document is confusing. I don't like pdfroff for this reason. In my humble opinion, writing the table of content in the begining of a document is a job for a troff macro. But this would require the somewhat

Re: [Groff] gropdf and pdfroff

2011-07-29 Thread Mike Bianchi
Fair warning. This started as a short I agree note, but ... On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 04:12:40PM +0200, Werner LEMBERG wrote: My user opinion is that letting a postprocessor change the structure of a document is confusing. I don't like pdfroff for this reason. In my humble opinion,

Re: [Groff] gropdf and pdfroff

2011-07-29 Thread Werner LEMBERG
As a *roff user since the mid-1970s I am all too aware that to be good at this you have to know and _understand_ a lot of details about the document models (as represented by the different macro collections: man, mm, mom, ms ...) and the fundamental commands, registers, etc. To do even the

Re: [Groff] gropdf and pdfroff

2011-07-29 Thread Mike Bianchi
On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 05:37:41PM +0200, Werner LEMBERG wrote: : The other day I was thinking of creating, as a first step, a set of overlay macros for things like groff_mm (my macro package of choice) to ease the burden of learning and understanding it: .mm_AbstractStart

Re: [Groff] gropdf and pdfroff

2011-07-29 Thread Peter Schaffter
On Fri, Jul 29, 2011, Mike Bianchi wrote: I worry that *roff is an old technology loved only by old people. It won't survive much longer if it isn't loved by people much younger than me. ... That way one would not have to memorize quite as much trivial detail to understand the document

[Groff] A trap with 'tbl'!

2011-07-29 Thread Ted Harding
Greetings All! I'm writing to flag up a little trap that one might fall into when using 'tbl'. Background: I'm setting up a table and I want each row to have a row number to the left of the table. So I have defined a left margin number string \*[lmn] to do that for each row. My first setup was

Re: [Groff] gropdf and pdfroff

2011-07-29 Thread Pierre-Jean
Mike Bianchi mbian...@foveal.com wrote: What is missing is a Front Door that leads you gently into the Castle, teaches you the way through the rooms, closets and pantries, so you can live comfortably there with what is present. Then (and only then) should you be led down into the basement

Re: [Groff] gropdf and pdfroff

2011-07-29 Thread Anton Shepelev
Ralph Corderoy: Is it non-standard? I thought the normal way was to set up two passes, or more strictly a loop until everything settles down into place, as this is how TeX does it too IIRC. Not that TeX's way of doing anything necessarily makes it right. ;-) I meant,

Re: [Groff] gropdf and pdfroff

2011-07-29 Thread Anton Shepelev
Mike Bianchi: [...] To do even the simplest document requires much-too-much expertise for the rank beginner. What is missing is a Front Door that leads you gently into the Castle, teaches you the way through the rooms, closets and pantries, so you can live comfortably

Re: [Groff] A trap with 'tbl'!

2011-07-29 Thread Deri James
On Friday 29 Jul 2011 22:25:59 Ted Harding wrote: Greetings All! I'm writing to flag up a little trap that one might fall into when using 'tbl'. Background: I'm setting up a table and I want each row to have a row number to the left of the table. So I have defined a left margin number

Re: [Groff] gropdf and pdfroff

2011-07-29 Thread Clarke Echols
On 07/29/2011 06:10 PM, Anton Shepelev wrote: Mike Bianchi: [...] To do even the simplest document requires much-too-much expertise for the rank beginner. What is missing is a Front Door that leads you gently into the Castle, teaches you the way through the rooms, closets and