On Sun, Mar 17, 2024 at 3:53 PM G. Branden Robinson
wrote:
> At 2024-03-16T12:32:44-0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> > 1. Do you think you'll change the long-standing groff default from
> >full justification to ragged right under nroff in the an macro set
> >for the next release?
>
> No.
> Here
[self-follow-up; dropping Russ from CC because it's a pretty obscure
point of *roff semantics]
At 2024-03-17T15:52:55-0500, G. Branden Robinson wrote:
> [6] I've marked `SB` as deprecated in the forthcoming groff 1.24; it
> does nothing that modern formatters can't achieve by combining `SM`
>
On 2024-03-17 15:52 -0500, G. Branden Robinson wrote:
> A. GNU roff and Sun troff are, historically, heavyweights in terms of
> users served. Apparently, man page users on these systems have been
> accepting of adjustment ("full justification") for decades.
Perhaps "suffering" would be
Hi Russ,
An uncharacteristically brief response from me this time. ;-)
At 2024-03-17T14:10:18-0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Okay, I think this narrows it down. The Perl 5.40 release is coming
> up, and I'd like to get the next release of podlators into it, with
> the hope that Debian will go to P
"G. Branden Robinson" writes:
> At 2024-03-16T12:32:44-0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
>> Okay, I think we've sorted out the way forward for groff that would
>> address the immediate issue. That leaves three questions: should I do
>> something in the next release of Pod::Man, should I assume that the
Hi Russ,
At 2024-03-16T12:32:44-0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Okay, I think we've sorted out the way forward for groff that would
> address the immediate issue. That leaves three questions: should I do
> something in the next release of Pod::Man, should I assume that the
> next release of groff wil
Okay, I think we've sorted out the way forward for groff that would
address the immediate issue. That leaves three questions: should I do
something in the next release of Pod::Man, should I assume that the next
release of groff will default to ragged right, and is there a way for
Pod::Man output t
At 2024-03-15T13:53:42-0500, G. Branden Robinson wrote:
> Can you name me a misbehaving perlpod(1)-generated page? I'll check
> it out. Perhaps what I really needed here was:
Yup.
diff --git a/tmac/an.tmac b/tmac/an.tmac
index 2b1789741..b4710e23a 100644
--- a/tmac/an.tmac
+++ b/tmac/an.tmac
@@
At 2024-03-15T12:29:36-0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> "G. Branden Robinson" writes:
>
> > Can you name me a misbehaving perlpod(1)-generated page? I'll check
> > it out.
>
> Yeah, pod2man(1) itself will do it on a Debian system with recent
> groff. You'll see justification switch from ragged righ
"G. Branden Robinson" writes:
> Can you name me a misbehaving perlpod(1)-generated page? I'll check it
> out.
Yeah, pod2man(1) itself will do it on a Debian system with recent groff.
You'll see justification switch from ragged right to full in the body of
the first option documented in OPTIONS.
At 2024-03-15T10:57:03-0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Dave Kemper writes:
> > It doesn't affect the larger point of this email, but the specific .ad
> > call Russ cites (in an-write-paragraph-tag) appears to have been added
> > in response to http://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?62051 .
>
> Right, the invo
Dave Kemper writes:
> On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 8:34 AM G. Branden Robinson
> wrote:
>> At 2024-03-14T22:02:26-0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
>> > Now, any .TP directive restores full justification for all subsequent
>> > text. This appears to be due to the addition of:
>> >
>> > . ad \\*[AD]
>> >
>>
On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 8:34 AM G. Branden Robinson
wrote:
> At 2024-03-14T22:02:26-0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> > Now, any .TP directive restores full justification for all subsequent
> > text. This appears to be due to the addition of:
> >
> > . ad \\*[AD]
> >
> > in an-write-paragraph-tag. I'
pod2man has, for a couple of decades, added:
.if n .ad l
to the top of every generated man page after the .TH macro on the grounds
that, for an output device that only has full-width spaces and no support
for subtle adjustments of interword spacing, ragged right is a more
readable default tha
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