On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 10:46 AM, Job Snijders wrote:
> On Wed, 23 May 2018 at 19:25, Brian Dickson
> wrote:
>
>> Sorry for the top-reply:
>>
>> I think the fundamental problem with AS-SETs in IRR is the unilateral
>> aspect of "control" of what amounts to assertion of a relationship.
>>
>
>
> I
The note that the paper was no longer accessible at the USC link was surprising.
Even more surprising was this note on a USC CS site:
https://www.cs.usc.edu/research/technical-reports/
Technical Reports
The Department of Computer Science no longer publishes technical reports to
this website.
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> On May 23, 2018, at 10:18 AM, Job Snijders wrote:
>
> On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 06:09:08PM +0100, Nick Hilliard wrote:
>> This errata report isn't wrong, but belongs to a bigger category of
>> problems relating to how the IETF handles third party references in
>> RFCs.
>
> Yes.
On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 04:56:56PM -0400, Christopher Morrow wrote:
> ok, my misunderstanding perhaps :) Oh, so: "like as-set, not as-set
> exactly".
yes, "as-sets in rpki", but we didn't want to call it "as-sets" because
there already is IRR AS-SET and BGP AS_SET - so "AS Cones" was coined.
Kind
On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 4:36 PM Nick Hilliard wrote:
> Christopher Morrow wrote:
> > (who hopes to one day have better answers for this than: "err, ask the
> > customer / peer which irr they use?"
>
> congrats, you just stood on the trust model dog turd.
>
>
now I need new shoes :(
> Right now
On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 4:26 PM Job Snijders wrote:
> On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 04:22:06PM -0400, Christopher Morrow wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 3:33 PM Job Snijders wrote:
> >
> > > The signing AS is saying they created (and named) the list. This
> > > helps resolve various issues
Christopher Morrow wrote:
(who hopes to one day have better answers for this than: "err, ask the
customer / peer which irr they use?"
congrats, you just stood on the trust model dog turd.
Right now we have the lolz model (anyone can put anything in any
non-authoritative IRR and it will be acc
On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 04:22:06PM -0400, Christopher Morrow wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 3:33 PM Job Snijders wrote:
>
> > The signing AS is saying they created (and named) the list. This
> > helps resolve various issues, such as "does AS-STEALTH belong to
> > AS41847 or to AS8002"?
>
On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 3:33 PM Job Snijders wrote:
>
> The signing AS is saying they created (and named) the list. This helps
> resolve various issues, such as "does AS-STEALTH belong to AS41847 or to
> AS8002"?
>
>
wait, they signed this data and put it in their RPKI publication point (for
in
On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 11:21:07AM -0700, Randy Bush wrote:
> > I believe the fundamental problem is (1) the same AS-SET name can
> > exist in multiple databases (duplication), (2) you don’t know which
> > as-set belongs to which ASN (ownership), and which as-set to use
> > (discovery).
>
> i thin
I believe the fundamental problem is (1) the same AS-SET name can
exist in
multiple databases (duplication), (2) you don’t know which as-set
belongs
to which ASN (ownership), and which as-set to use (discovery).
i think these may be part of the same confuddle; what is the
“identity” of an as-
> On May 23, 2018, at 1:24 PM, Brian Dickson
> wrote:
>
> Sorry for the top-reply:
>
> I think the fundamental problem with AS-SETs in IRR is the unilateral aspect
> of "control" of what amounts to assertion of a relationship.
>
> Given the basic mechanisms already in play for RPKI (keys, s
On Wed, 23 May 2018 at 19:25, Brian Dickson
wrote:
> Sorry for the top-reply:
>
> I think the fundamental problem with AS-SETs in IRR is the unilateral
> aspect of "control" of what amounts to assertion of a relationship.
>
I believe the fundamental problem is (1) the same AS-SET name can exist
Sorry for the top-reply:
I think the fundamental problem with AS-SETs in IRR is the unilateral
aspect of "control" of what amounts to assertion of a relationship.
Given the basic mechanisms already in play for RPKI (keys, signing, etc.),
I think this would be easy enough to fix:
- Any relatio
On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 06:09:08PM +0100, Nick Hilliard wrote:
> This errata report isn't wrong, but belongs to a bigger category of
> problems relating to how the IETF handles third party references in
> RFCs.
Yes. Until then I fear errata may be the only way to repoint URLs.
> It's unlikely tha
On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 1:09 PM Nick Hilliard wrote:
> This errata report isn't wrong, but belongs to a bigger category of
> problems relating to how the IETF handles third party references in RFCs.
>
> It's unlikely that the researchgate url will be persistent in the longer
> term, at least any
The following errata report has been held for document update
for RFC7948, "Internet Exchange BGP Route Server Operations".
--
You may review the report below and at:
http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid5366
--
Status: Held
This errata report isn't wrong, but belongs to a bigger category of
problems relating to how the IETF handles third party references in RFCs.
It's unlikely that the researchgate url will be persistent in the longer
term, at least any more than any other URL.
Nick
RFC Errata System wrote:
Th
On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 08:03:45AM -0700, Randy Bush wrote:
> >>> me and Job Snijders have recently submitted
> >>> draft-ss-grow-rpki-as-cones-00, which discusses AS-Cones, an
> >>> attempt to bring as-sets into RPKI to facilitate route filtering.
> >>
> >> in irr, an as-set may reference an as-s
The following errata report has been submitted for RFC7948,
"Internet Exchange BGP Route Server Operations".
--
You may review the report below and at:
http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid5366
--
Type: Technical
Reported by:
>>> me and Job Snijders have recently submitted
>>> draft-ss-grow-rpki-as-cones-00, which discusses AS-Cones, an attempt
>>> to bring as-sets into RPKI to facilitate route filtering.
>>
>> in irr, an as-set may reference an as-set. could you explain the
>> authority model you have for this when a
Dear Randy,
On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 01:02:24PM -0700, Randy Bush wrote:
> > me and Job Snijders have recently submitted
> > draft-ss-grow-rpki-as-cones-00, which discusses AS-Cones, an attempt
> > to bring as-sets into RPKI to facilitate route filtering.
>
> in irr, an as-set may reference an as-
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