Re: [GROW] [Idr] Choice of Large vs. Extended Community for Route Leaks Solution

2021-03-31 Thread Gyan Mishra
Correction BGP communities are optional transitive. If all communities were not transitive the knob would not exist in any implementation such as Cisco and maybe others that have a “send-community” knob requirements manual CLI command to propagate communities. BGP communities going between admi

Re: [GROW] [Idr] Choice of Large vs. Extended Community for Route Leaks Solution

2021-03-31 Thread Randy Bush
> The point Jakob follows up with in this thread strongly suggests > communities are not a viable mechanism. communities are rarely a viable mechanism. too malleable, forgable, ... once again, see our paper. randy ___ GROW mailing list GROW@ietf.org

Re: [GROW] Choice of Large vs. Extended Community for Route Leaks Solution

2021-03-31 Thread Brian Dickson
On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 7:57 AM Sriram, Kotikalapudi (Fed) < kotikalapudi.sri...@nist.gov> wrote: > Hi Sue, > > Thanks for the detailed thoughts you have shared on the IDR list about the > WKLC draft and route leaks solution draft (while also responding to Brian’s > post). > > At one point in the

Re: [GROW] [Idr] Choice of Large vs. Extended Community for Route Leaks Solution

2021-03-31 Thread Jeffrey Haas
Sriram, On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 05:16:47PM +, Sriram, Kotikalapudi (Fed) wrote: > >You can thus just get a FCFS extended community from a > >transitive space TODAY and > >it'd probably do most of what you want. One of the beneficial properties > >that extended communities have is the transiti

Re: [GROW] [Idr] Choice of Large vs. Extended Community for Route Leaks Solution

2021-03-31 Thread Jeffrey Haas
On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 06:02:52PM +, Jakob Heitz (jheitz) wrote: > No community is transitive. > Not even the transitive extended communities. > > In all BGP code I've worked in, not just Cisco, a configuration > is required to send communities of any kind to an ebgp session. > By default, no

Re: [GROW] [Idr] Choice of Large vs. Extended Community for Route Leaks Solution

2021-03-31 Thread Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
No community is transitive. Not even the transitive extended communities. In all BGP code I've worked in, not just Cisco, a configuration is required to send communities of any kind to an ebgp session. By default, no communities are sent to ebgp sessions. That's a good thing, because network opera

Re: [GROW] [Idr] Choice of Large vs. Extended Community for Route Leaks Solution

2021-03-31 Thread Sriram, Kotikalapudi (Fed)
Jeff, Thank you for the response. My comments inline. >You can thus just get a FCFS extended community from a >transitive space TODAY and >it'd probably do most of what you want. One of the beneficial properties >that extended communities have is the transitivity is at least understood >and well

Re: [GROW] [Idr] Choice of Large vs. Extended Community for Route Leaks Solution

2021-03-31 Thread Jeffrey Haas
Sriram, (Clearly I'm not Sue...) Extending the observation I've just made to Gyan, the headache you're going through is trying to avoid the work of creating a new attribute. A result of this is a lot of work trying to proscriptively change how people operate their networks for more general featu

[GROW] Choice of Large vs. Extended Community for Route Leaks Solution

2021-03-31 Thread Sriram, Kotikalapudi (Fed)
Hi Sue, Thanks for the detailed thoughts you have shared on the IDR list about the WKLC draft and route leaks solution draft (while also responding to Brian’s post). At one point in the past, the route leaks solution needed 8 bytes of user data space to accommodate two ASNs but then there was a