Re: fonts for gfxmenu, help needed

2009-12-05 Thread Michal Suchanek
2009/11/30 Michal Suchanek : > 2009/11/30 Qianqian Fang : >> Michal Suchanek wrote: >>> >>> Aestetics is relative but uniform stroke width is not. >>> >>> Yes, I suspected it would not be a common character, my character >>> table does not list a meaning for it. >>> >>> However, similar issue can b

Re: fonts for gfxmenu, help needed

2009-11-30 Thread Michal Suchanek
2009/11/30 Qianqian Fang : > Michal Suchanek wrote: >> >> Aestetics is relative but uniform stroke width is not. >> >> Yes, I suspected it would not be a common character, my character >> table does not list a meaning for it. >> >> However, similar issue can be seen with the 刀 character in the >> m

Re: fonts for gfxmenu, help needed

2009-11-30 Thread Qianqian Fang
Michal Suchanek wrote: Aestetics is relative but uniform stroke width is not. Yes, I suspected it would not be a common character, my character table does not list a meaning for it. However, similar issue can be seen with the 刀 character in the microhei_24px and microhei_32px rasterization. In

Re: fonts for gfxmenu, help needed

2009-11-30 Thread Michal Suchanek
2009/11/29 Qianqian Fang : > Michal Suchanek wrote: >> >> It's good enough to read the character but if I designed a theme with >> this character in some large caption I would immediately start looking >> for a font that has a decent glyph for this character. It's far from >> nice to look at. >> >

Re: fonts for gfxmenu, help needed

2009-11-29 Thread Qianqian Fang
Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko wrote: AFAIK Hanja isn't used a lot and in GRUB2 particularly I see only names which could possibly use Hanja. Also quick look into ko.po of glibc doesn't reveal any Hanja (even that I can't read either they have different appearence). But due to nature of Ha

Re: fonts for gfxmenu, help needed

2009-11-29 Thread Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
Qianqian Fang wrote: > Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko wrote: >> Is it possible to have a font with only these characters plus if >> necessary some computer-specific characters? I don't expect users to >> write poems in grub and so such reduced font would be well-suited for >> applications wh

Re: fonts for gfxmenu, help needed

2009-11-29 Thread Qianqian Fang
Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko wrote: Is it possible to have a font with only these characters plus if necessary some computer-specific characters? I don't expect users to write poems in grub and so such reduced font would be well-suited for applications when size matters (e.g. embedding g

Re: fonts for gfxmenu, help needed

2009-11-29 Thread Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
Qianqian Fang wrote: > Michal Suchanek wrote: >> It's good enough to read the character but if I designed a theme with >> this character in some large caption I would immediately start looking >> for a font that has a decent glyph for this character. It's far from >> nice to look at. >> > > I wa

Re: fonts for gfxmenu, help needed

2009-11-29 Thread Qianqian Fang
Michal Suchanek wrote: It's good enough to read the character but if I designed a theme with this character in some large caption I would immediately start looking for a font that has a decent glyph for this character. It's far from nice to look at. I was talking about "rasterization quality

Re: fonts for gfxmenu, help needed

2009-11-29 Thread Michal Suchanek
2009/11/28 Qianqian Fang : > Michal Suchanek wrote: >> >> Given the 1-bit bitmap limitation most glyphs look pretty good but the >> 灱 glyph just above the UmingCN title in the taskbar is particularly >> ugly. Is this an expected limitation of this rendering method that >> some glyphs simply turn ou

Re: fonts for gfxmenu, help needed

2009-11-28 Thread Qianqian Fang
Michal Suchanek wrote: Given the 1-bit bitmap limitation most glyphs look pretty good but the 灱 glyph just above the UmingCN title in the taskbar is particularly ugly. Is this an expected limitation of this rendering method that some glyphs simply turn out ugly or is this a bug in the font? o

Re: fonts for gfxmenu, help needed

2009-11-28 Thread Qianqian Fang
Michal Suchanek wrote: Am I missing something? For me fontconfig was always a commandline tool. I do use some charmap tools but onen of them comes with fontconfig. I am sorry, I meant "fontforge", not fontconfig. Those are the steps to prepare a bitmap font (in bdf format, then you can convert

Re: fonts for gfxmenu, help needed

2009-11-28 Thread Michal Suchanek
2009/11/28 Qianqian Fang : > Michal Suchanek wrote: >> >> Thanks for these tips. I guess wider by one px is acceptable for an >> alternate font, the fonts need not be displayed both at the same time. >> I am not sure if lower quality glyphs of correct shape are preferred >> over higher quality Chin

Re: fonts for gfxmenu, help needed

2009-11-27 Thread Qianqian Fang
Michal Suchanek wrote: Thanks for these tips. I guess wider by one px is acceptable for an alternate font, the fonts need not be displayed both at the same time. I am not sure if lower quality glyphs of correct shape are preferred over higher quality Chinese glyphs, though. I guess it would also

Re: fonts for gfxmenu, help needed

2009-11-27 Thread Michal Suchanek
2009/11/27 Qianqian Fang : > Michal Suchanek wrote: >> >> Grub is capable of displaying variable width fonts but monospace fonts >> may be preferred for some uses. >> Ideally grub should use as few fonts as possible so a font with both >> CJK glyphs and Latin glyphs is preferable. >> As you pointed

Re: fonts for gfxmenu, help needed

2009-11-26 Thread Qianqian Fang
Qianqian Fang wrote: ok, I think I am getting clear now. Grub can load pan-unicode (1-bit) bitmap fonts of various sizes. Grub needs 1) good bitmap fonts with CJK coverage (and possibility Latin) at multiple point sizes, 2) preferably with Song and Hei styles as well as 3) Han glyph CJK variant s

Re: fonts for gfxmenu, help needed

2009-11-26 Thread Qianqian Fang
Michal Suchanek wrote: Grub is capable of displaying variable width fonts but monospace fonts may be preferred for some uses. Ideally grub should use as few fonts as possible so a font with both CJK glyphs and Latin glyphs is preferable. As you pointed out the glyphs in Unifont are mostly ported

Re: fonts for gfxmenu, help needed

2009-11-26 Thread Michal Suchanek
2009/11/26 Qianqian Fang : > Felix Zielcke wrote: >> >> Even with the old .pff font format the whole unicode was possible but it >> was just slow IIRC. >> At least it was slow with first version of .pf2 or grub-mkfont. >> The .pf2 format itself is bitmap but see below. As input for grub-mkfont >> t

Re: fonts for gfxmenu, help needed

2009-11-26 Thread Qianqian Fang
Felix Zielcke wrote: Even with the old .pff font format the whole unicode was possible but it was just slow IIRC. At least it was slow with first version of .pf2 or grub-mkfont. The .pf2 format itself is bitmap but see below. As input for grub-mkfont they can be TTF. that's great, does the f

Re: fonts for gfxmenu, help needed

2009-11-26 Thread Felix Zielcke
Am Mittwoch, den 25.11.2009, 23:38 -0500 schrieb Qianqian Fang: > hi list > > My friend brought me attention to this thread, and > I am very glad to see a better CJK support is now > on the agenda of grub. As a Chinese font developer, > I am willing to help, share information or build > fonts for

Re: fonts for gfxmenu, help needed

2009-11-25 Thread Qianqian Fang
et/projects/wqy/files/wqy-bitmapfont-pkgsrc/0.8.1/ [4] http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/frameworks/base.git;a=tree;f=data/fonts;hb=HEAD [5] http://wenq.org/enindex.cgi?MicroHei%28en%29 *From*: Michal Suchanek *Subject*: Re: fonts for gfxmenu, help n

Re: fonts for gfxmenu, help needed

2009-11-25 Thread feng shu
2009/11/26 Michal Suchanek : > 2009/11/25 feng shu : >> 2009/11/25 Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko : >>> Michal Suchanek wrote: > Also if worse comes to worst Indic, Arabic or Hebrew can be feasibly written in Latin, Chinese cannot. >>> pinyin. I know it's disagreable to r

Re: fonts for gfxmenu, help needed

2009-11-25 Thread feng shu
2009/11/26 Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko : > Michal Suchanek wrote: >> 2009/11/25 feng shu : >> >>> 2009/11/25 Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko : >>> Michal Suchanek wrote: >> >> > Also if worse comes to worst Indic, Arabic or Hebrew can be feasibly > written in Latin

Re: fonts for gfxmenu, help needed

2009-11-25 Thread Michal Suchanek
2009/11/25 Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko : > Michal Suchanek wrote: >> 2009/11/25 feng shu : >> >>> 2009/11/25 Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko : >>> Michal Suchanek wrote: >> >> > Also if worse comes to worst Indic, Arabic or Hebrew can be feasibly > written in Latin

Re: fonts for gfxmenu, help needed

2009-11-25 Thread Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
Michal Suchanek wrote: > 2009/11/25 feng shu : > >> 2009/11/25 Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko : >> >>> Michal Suchanek wrote: >>> > > Also if worse comes to worst Indic, Arabic or Hebrew can be feasibly written in Latin, Chinese cannot. >>> piny

Re: fonts for gfxmenu, help needed

2009-11-25 Thread Michal Suchanek
2009/11/25 feng shu : > 2009/11/25 Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko : >> Michal Suchanek wrote: >>> >>> Also if worse comes to worst Indic, Arabic or Hebrew can be feasibly >>> written in Latin, Chinese cannot. >>> >> pinyin. I know it's disagreable to read for native speakers, but it's >> si

Re: fonts for gfxmenu, help needed

2009-11-25 Thread feng shu
2009/11/25 Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko : > Michal Suchanek wrote: >> >> The difference is that the font is only a bitmap whereas scaling >> inside grub can do blending which should give much better results than >> scaling bitmap into another bitmap. >> >> > What do you mean by blending? D

Re: fonts for gfxmenu, help needed

2009-11-25 Thread Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
Michal Suchanek wrote: > 2009/11/25 Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko : > >> Michal Suchanek wrote: >> >>> The difference is that the font is only a bitmap whereas scaling >>> inside grub can do blending which should give much better results than >>> scaling bitmap into another bitmap.

Re: fonts for gfxmenu, help needed

2009-11-25 Thread Michal Suchanek
2009/11/25 Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko : > Michal Suchanek wrote: >> >> The difference is that the font is only a bitmap whereas scaling >> inside grub can do blending which should give much better results than >> scaling bitmap into another bitmap. >> >> > What do you mean by blending? D

Re: fonts for gfxmenu, help needed

2009-11-25 Thread Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
Michal Suchanek wrote: > 2009/11/25 Robert Millan : > >> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 08:43:30PM +0100, Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' >> Serbinenko wrote: >> >>> I identified number of fonts as one of the reason of gfxmenu needing >>> important amount of time to load. I prefer to have few nice loo

Re: fonts for gfxmenu, help needed

2009-11-25 Thread Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
Michal Suchanek wrote: > > The difference is that the font is only a bitmap whereas scaling > inside grub can do blending which should give much better results than > scaling bitmap into another bitmap. > > What do you mean by blending? Do you mean pixels with alpha channels? >> The best way to

Re: fonts for gfxmenu, help needed

2009-11-25 Thread Michal Suchanek
2009/11/25 Robert Millan : > On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 08:43:30PM +0100, Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' > Serbinenko wrote: >> I identified number of fonts as one of the reason of gfxmenu needing >> important amount of time to load. I prefer to have few nice looking free >> fonts with reasonable unicode

Re: fonts for gfxmenu, help needed

2009-11-25 Thread Michal Suchanek
2009/11/25 Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko : > Michal Suchanek wrote: >> >> As I said that's pretty much impossible. >> >> unifont.ttf is just the bitmap squares recorded as outline, and even >> if you generate multiple sizes of bitmaps from that (and most of these >> are bound to be ugly bo

Re: fonts for gfxmenu, help needed

2009-11-25 Thread Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
Michal Suchanek wrote: > 2009/11/25 Robert Millan : > >> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 08:43:30PM +0100, Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' >> Serbinenko wrote: >> >>> I identified number of fonts as one of the reason of gfxmenu needing >>> important amount of time to load. I prefer to have few nice loo

Re: fonts for gfxmenu, help needed

2009-11-25 Thread Michal Suchanek
2009/11/25 Robert Millan : > On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 08:43:30PM +0100, Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' > Serbinenko wrote: >> I identified number of fonts as one of the reason of gfxmenu needing >> important amount of time to load. I prefer to have few nice looking free >> fonts with reasonable unicode

Re: fonts for gfxmenu, help needed

2009-11-24 Thread Robert Millan
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 08:43:30PM +0100, Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko wrote: > I identified number of fonts as one of the reason of gfxmenu needing > important amount of time to load. I prefer to have few nice looking free > fonts with reasonable unicode coverage (we'll need it because o

Re: fonts for gfxmenu, help needed

2009-11-24 Thread Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
Colin D Bennett wrote: > On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 18:35:55 +0100 > Robert Millan wrote: > > >> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 04:27:13PM +0100, Michal Suchanek wrote: >> >>> I suspect what you are asking is impossible. >>> >>> As far as I understand unifont is a single bitmap font in a single >>> pixe

Re: fonts for gfxmenu, help needed

2009-11-24 Thread Colin D Bennett
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 18:35:55 +0100 Robert Millan wrote: > On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 04:27:13PM +0100, Michal Suchanek wrote: > > > > I suspect what you are asking is impossible. > > > > As far as I understand unifont is a single bitmap font in a single > > pixel size and the tarball you sent cont

Re: fonts for gfxmenu, help needed

2009-11-24 Thread Felix Zielcke
Am Dienstag, den 24.11.2009, 19:12 +0100 schrieb Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko: > Michal Suchanek wrote: > > 2009/11/24 Robert Millan : > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> Help is needed in order to provide the last bit that will make > gfxmenu > >> functional: fonts of multiple sizes. > >> > >> The

Re: fonts for gfxmenu, help needed

2009-11-24 Thread Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
Michal Suchanek wrote: > 2009/11/24 Robert Millan : > >> Hi, >> >> Help is needed in order to provide the last bit that will make gfxmenu >> functional: fonts of multiple sizes. >> >> The sample tarball at http://grub.gibibit.com/files/overlay_2009-07-19.tar.gz >> includes a set of prebuilt font

Re: fonts for gfxmenu, help needed

2009-11-24 Thread Robert Millan
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 04:27:13PM +0100, Michal Suchanek wrote: > > I suspect what you are asking is impossible. > > As far as I understand unifont is a single bitmap font in a single > pixel size and the tarball you sent contains multiple font faces in > multiple sizes. Any idea how were those

Re: fonts for gfxmenu, help needed

2009-11-24 Thread Michal Suchanek
2009/11/24 Robert Millan : > > Hi, > > Help is needed in order to provide the last bit that will make gfxmenu > functional: fonts of multiple sizes. > > The sample tarball at http://grub.gibibit.com/files/overlay_2009-07-19.tar.gz > includes a set of prebuilt fonts.  They were built using a Java ut