Re: RFC: UI design

2012-01-10 Thread Tristan Van Berkom
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 2:25 AM, Benjamin Otte wrote: > On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 5:40 PM, Tristan Van Berkom wrote: >> I think the first thing we have to keep in mind is that while well-known >> use cases of GTK+ are in the domain of "desktop applications" there >> is a great deal of use cases that

Re: RFC: UI design

2012-01-10 Thread David Nečas
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 08:16:53PM +0100, Stefan Sauer wrote: > On 01/09/2012 04:29 PM, Benjamin Otte wrote: > > Who gets to decide how an application looks? > > > > This question is aimed at theming and the question of graphic > > design[1] and not at intersection design[2]. The way I see it, th

Re: RFC: UI design

2012-01-10 Thread Stefan Sauer
On 01/09/2012 04:29 PM, Benjamin Otte wrote: > Hey, > > Here's another discussion point I want people to think about before > the hackfest. This time it's not so much about API in a direct way but > more about a guiding principles for the kinds of APIs we want to > provide. The short question is th

Re: RFC: UI design

2012-01-09 Thread Steve Frécinaux
On 01/09/2012 06:25 PM, Benjamin Otte wrote: > Keep in mind that those kiosk or other embedded applications > themselves are the platform though. So for those cases, the > distinction does not matter. It doesn't even matter if you have > multiple applications if you still control the design of all

Re: RFC: UI design

2012-01-09 Thread Paul Davis
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 2:05 PM, Jan Jokela wrote: > Take iPhoto, Calendar and similar apps, even the ones not developed by > Apple. > Many of them style widgets to a certain look and feel and most have a bunch > of custom widgets. And I see this as  essential for making great > applications even

Re: RFC: UI design

2012-01-09 Thread Jan Jokela
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 6:49 PM, Paul Davis wrote: > On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 1:44 PM, Jan Jokela wrote: > > >. But for the App to > > be cohesive with the platform, the theme (the design and usability > features > > of widgets) must remain identical. > > this notion of cohesiveness with the platfor

Re: RFC: UI design

2012-01-09 Thread Paul Davis
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 1:44 PM, Jan Jokela wrote: >. But for the App to > be cohesive with the platform, the theme (the design and usability features > of widgets) must remain identical. this notion of cohesiveness with the platform doesn't seem to bother the developers of most pro-apps. Ableton

Re: RFC: UI design

2012-01-09 Thread Jan Jokela
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 6:28 PM, Paul Davis wrote: > On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Jan Jokela wrote: > > > The way I see this issue is that OS X applications are all across the > board > > much superior to GTK+ Apps both from an aesthetic and user experience > point > > of view. And any solution

Re: RFC: UI design

2012-01-09 Thread Paul Davis
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Jan Jokela wrote: > The way I see this issue is that OS X applications are all across the board > much superior to GTK+ Apps both from an aesthetic and user experience point > of view. And any solution that doesn't really solve the problem is a bad > solution. 2 q

Re: RFC: UI design

2012-01-09 Thread Jan Jokela
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 5:36 PM, Benjamin Otte wrote: > On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 5:59 PM, Jan Jokela wrote: > > Hej, great read! > > > > Regarding your point on Application design & theming for different form > > factors, I think there isn't any logic in even attempting the same user > > interface

Re: RFC: UI design

2012-01-09 Thread Benjamin Otte
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 5:59 PM, Jan Jokela wrote: > Hej, great read! > > Regarding your point on Application design & theming for different form > factors, I think there isn't any logic in even attempting the same user > interface design (not talking about theming here) for lets say, desktops and

Re: RFC: UI design

2012-01-09 Thread Benjamin Otte
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 5:40 PM, Tristan Van Berkom wrote: > I think the first thing we have to keep in mind is that while well-known > use cases of GTK+ are in the domain of "desktop applications" there > is a great deal of use cases that are not tied in to desktop environments > (be they, mobile

Re: RFC: UI design

2012-01-09 Thread Jan Jokela
Hej, great read! Regarding your point on Application design & theming for different form factors, I think there isn't any logic in even attempting the same user interface design (not talking about theming here) for lets say, desktops and tablets. And on the topic of mobile devices, the user experi

Re: RFC: UI design

2012-01-09 Thread Tristan Van Berkom
Very interesting topic, I'm going to throw some responses out there without thinking too hard, if the thread gets very interesting we can build from there ;-) I think the first thing we have to keep in mind is that while well-known use cases of GTK+ are in the domain of "desktop applications" ther

RFC: UI design

2012-01-09 Thread Benjamin Otte
Hey, Here's another discussion point I want people to think about before the hackfest. This time it's not so much about API in a direct way but more about a guiding principles for the kinds of APIs we want to provide. The short question is this: Who gets to decide how an application looks? Thi