Re: About SWH, let avoid the wrong discussion

2024-06-24 Thread Ricardo Wurmus
MSavoritias writes: >> > - Guix respects the consent of the person using guix lint and their >> > expectations. (that lint actually lints) >> > - Respects their privacy >> > - Respects their autonomy. >> >> User autonomy is not curtailed by informing an aligned service's crawler >> that an

Re: About SWH, let avoid the wrong discussion

2024-06-22 Thread Ricardo Wurmus
MSavoritias writes: >> To clarify. I am specifically opposed to a change in official Guix >> packages that allows for this statement: >> >> "Do not upload automatically to software heritage, and no one else can >> either." > > Let me put this more clear Richard, the statement above that

Re: About SWH, let avoid the wrong discussion

2024-06-22 Thread MSavoritias
On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 13:51:17 -0700 Vagrant Cascadian wrote: Hey, I am really tempted to just write this off as a bad faith argument (which it mostly is) but either way i replied some things more down because I am trying to believe you are arguing in good faith. If its not a bad faith

Re: About SWH, let avoid the wrong discussion

2024-06-22 Thread MSavoritias
On Sat, 22 Jun 2024 09:06:20 -0400 Richard Sent wrote: > Hi MSavoritias, > > MSavoritias writes: > > >> Well, the opt-in model is in place: As soon as I put my code under a free > >> license on the Internet, I opt in for it to be harvested by SWH (and > >> anybody > >> else, including

Re: About SWH, let avoid the wrong discussion

2024-06-22 Thread Richard Sent
Hi MSavoritias, MSavoritias writes: >> Well, the opt-in model is in place: As soon as I put my code under a free >> license on the Internet, I opt in for it to be harvested by SWH (and anybody >> else, including non-friendly companies and state actors). > That may be how you have understood it

Re: About SWH, let avoid the wrong discussion

2024-06-21 Thread Vagrant Cascadian
On 2024-06-21, MSavoritias wrote: > On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 09:51:30 -0700 > Vagrant Cascadian wrote: > >> On 2024-06-21, MSavoritias wrote: >> > On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 11:46:56 +0200 >> > Andreas Enge wrote: >> >> Am Fri, Jun 21, 2024 at 12:12:13PM +0300 schrieb MSavoritias: >> >> > and as I

Re: About SWH, let avoid the wrong discussion

2024-06-21 Thread Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution.
Hi Vagrant, On Fri, Jun 21 2024, Vagrant Cascadian wrote: > I have to cut myself off now. Please feel free to keep going. Out of the dozens of comments here, including my own, yours was the most valuable. +1 to your fatigue with LLM hype; to the critique of the excess expenditure of precious

Re: About SWH, let avoid the wrong discussion

2024-06-21 Thread MSavoritias
On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 09:51:30 -0700 Vagrant Cascadian wrote: > On 2024-06-21, MSavoritias wrote: > > On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 11:46:56 +0200 > > Andreas Enge wrote: > >> Am Fri, Jun 21, 2024 at 12:12:13PM +0300 schrieb MSavoritias: > >> > and as I mention in my first email I want to apply social

Re: About SWH, let avoid the wrong discussion

2024-06-21 Thread Msavoritias
On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 16:33:40 + Luis Felipe wrote: > El 21/06/24 a las 14:15, MSavoritias escribió: > > On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 13:45:04 + > > Luis Felipe wrote: > > > >> El 21/06/24 a las 10:44, MSavoritias escribió: > >>> On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 11:46:56 +0200 > >>> Andreas Enge wrote: >

Re: About SWH, let avoid the wrong discussion

2024-06-21 Thread Luis Felipe
El 21/06/24 a las 14:15, MSavoritias escribió: On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 13:45:04 + Luis Felipe wrote: El 21/06/24 a las 10:44, MSavoritias escribió: On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 11:46:56 +0200 Andreas Enge wrote: Am Fri, Jun 21, 2024 at 11:14:18AM +0300 schrieb MSavoritias: Aside from that even

Re: About SWH, let avoid the wrong discussion

2024-06-21 Thread Luis Felipe
El 21/06/24 a las 10:44, MSavoritias escribió: On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 11:46:56 +0200 Andreas Enge wrote: Am Fri, Jun 21, 2024 at 11:14:18AM +0300 schrieb MSavoritias: Aside from that even Guix uploading all code from the packages to SWH that basically feeds it to a LLM model is indeed not

Re: About SWH, let avoid the wrong discussion

2024-06-21 Thread Vagrant Cascadian
On 2024-06-21, MSavoritias wrote: > On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 11:46:56 +0200 > Andreas Enge wrote: >> Am Fri, Jun 21, 2024 at 12:12:13PM +0300 schrieb MSavoritias: >> > and as I mention in my first email I want to apply social pressure and >> > make it clear to package authors what is happening so we

Re: About SWH, let avoid the wrong discussion

2024-06-21 Thread Liliana Marie Prikler
Hi, MSavoritias, Am Freitag, dem 21.06.2024 um 17:15 +0300 schrieb MSavoritias: > But I didnt say that tho did I? the context you are reading as from > the quote is Guix uploading all code from its packages to SWH. > Not any private repos. So i have no idea what you are reffering to > here tbh. I

Re: About SWH, let avoid the wrong discussion

2024-06-21 Thread MSavoritias
On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 13:45:04 + Luis Felipe wrote: > El 21/06/24 a las 10:44, MSavoritias escribió: > > On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 11:46:56 +0200 > > Andreas Enge wrote: > > > >> Am Fri, Jun 21, 2024 at 11:14:18AM +0300 schrieb MSavoritias: > >>> Aside from that even Guix uploading all code

Re: About SWH, let avoid the wrong discussion

2024-06-21 Thread MSavoritias
On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 11:46:56 +0200 Andreas Enge wrote: > Am Fri, Jun 21, 2024 at 12:12:13PM +0300 schrieb MSavoritias: > > and as I mention in my first email I want to apply social pressure and make > > it clear to package authors what is happening so we can move to an opt-in > > model. > >

Re: About SWH, let avoid the wrong discussion

2024-06-21 Thread Andreas Enge
Am Fri, Jun 21, 2024 at 12:12:13PM +0300 schrieb MSavoritias: > and as I mention in my first email I want to apply social pressure and make > it clear to package authors what is happening so we can move to an opt-in > model. Well, the opt-in model is in place: As soon as I put my code under a

Re: About SWH, let avoid the wrong discussion

2024-06-21 Thread MSavoritias
On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 10:39:50 +0200 Simon Tournier wrote: Hey, Just wanted to send a quick reply that as I have mentioned elsewhere I do not wish to see SWH go. I think they are doing great work. and as I mention in my first email I want to apply social pressure and make it clear to package

About SWH, let avoid the wrong discussion

2024-06-21 Thread Simon Tournier
Hi all, For the record, the Software Heritage initiative is supportive of the Guix project since years. It means that members of Guix community have or had interactions with Software Heritage (SWH) teams since years. For example, the blog post “Connecting reproducible deployment to a long-term