Re: [h-cost] Knitting Historians?

2006-02-14 Thread Carol Kocian
Hi Rosecelin, A good source of knit historians is the Historic Kint list. It's a Yahoogroup, http://groups.yahoo.com/group/historicknit/ You didn't say what era you friend prefers - different people concentrate on different time periods, cultures, etc. There are a lot of great dis

Re: [h-cost] colonial

2006-02-14 Thread Diana Habra
> Ooo...look what I found. > http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_238.htm > De I LOVE this website! I know that they show the details to help sell the clothing but it is AWESOME for us historical costumers that may not ever get to study garments like these in person. Thanks so much for sharin

RE: [h-cost] Tudor effigies and women walking

2006-02-14 Thread Alex Doyle
I recently had the experience to spend the day outside in a misting rainy enviroment in skirts that touched the ground, if not lay upon the ground a bit. Even though the bottom ten inches or so were wet, my ankles and legs were not so cold as they were a little later when I found a belt that I

RE: [h-cost] Tudor effigies and women walking

2006-02-14 Thread Sharon at Collierfam.com
What I learned was that as castles were very cold and during religious services, everyone stood (no benches, ladies would actually stand on their long skirts for comfort and warmth. Sharon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kimiko Small Sent:

RE: [h-cost] Smock or Partlet was Tudor roses

2006-02-14 Thread otsisto
What did the dresses at the Ren Fest look like? Also, What period/year did you say you were trying for for hers and your costumes? You can get away with (if it is Tudor/Henry VIII style) a shift/chemise/shirt and the gown. Chemise could be lower thigh to knee length. You already have the headgear.

RE: [h-cost] Tudor roses

2006-02-14 Thread otsisto
Oops, I need to clarify. Yes the puffs are fake from my interpretation of the painting. I was trying through a fogged brain (still a bit fogged) to say the "epaulette"(?) or the sleeve section with the poofs coming out is attached to the gown bodice and the embroidered sleeves which I believe are d

RE: [h-cost] italian childs renaissance dress

2006-02-14 Thread otsisto
Okay perhaps I used the wrong label at least the online dictionarys seem to say so. It is usually defined as an ornamental, detachable front of a woman's bodice similar to a stomacher? This is a stomacher to give a rough idea. http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_230.htm De -Original Message

[h-cost] colonial

2006-02-14 Thread otsisto
Ooo...look what I found. http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_238.htm De ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume

Re: [h-cost] italian childs renaissance dress

2006-02-14 Thread Kimiko Small
At 09:42 AM 2/14/2006, you wrote: Found this, and thoaght some of you might not have seen it yeat. http://www.mfa.org/collections/search_art.asp?coll_keywords=dress&submit.x=3&submit.y=10&coll_start=81 Bjarne Thank you Bjarne, I got to playing around with the search engine, and found this in

Re: [h-cost] Knitting Historians?

2006-02-14 Thread RON CARNEGIE
In a related note, no really, do you have a more current email address for the fine establishment of "The Practical Goose". I met you and them some few years ago at Pennisc, and believe you to be better acquainted to them than am I. I have a friend who would like to send some business there wa

Re: [h-cost] Knitting Historians?

2006-02-14 Thread Carolyn Kayta Barrows
By the way, please excuse this question if it has been discussed. When did crocheting come along? I was told long ago that it started after 1650 - Is this true? I've been trying to convince a few of my needlework students that it is out of period for our group. Something like 1830, last

Re: [h-cost] Knitting Historians?

2006-02-14 Thread michael tartaglio
Hi. Most historians of knitting (there are only a few major ones and a lot of amateurs) agree that crochet started after 1650. There are a number of other techniques that superficially resemble each other, but those who practice them can show you the differences. Your friend wants to do a searc

Re: [h-cost] Tudor roses

2006-02-14 Thread Sue Clemenger
Oh, how interesting! I always figured the puffs were faked, since they show no signs of embroidery --Sue - Original Message - From: "otsisto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 8:46 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Tudor roses >

Re: [h-cost] Smock or Partlet was Tudor roses

2006-02-14 Thread Sue Clemenger
It could be a shirt (embroidered shirts with collars have certainly survived), but I think people may also be keyed into the bits that show up in texts (such as the lists of New Year's gifts in _Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe unlocked), and detail "partlets and sleeves" as a "set" and not a single item

Re: [h-cost] Smock or Partlet was Tudor roses

2006-02-14 Thread michaela
> Is there a way to make a smock that can create the illusion of being > different parts and still be accuate? Well the intent of the sleeves is to not look different to the partlet, if they are indeed seperate items;) I personally feel she is wearing a garment similar to the smock in the V&A tha

Re: [h-cost] italian childs renaissance dress

2006-02-14 Thread Becky
What's a "plastron"? I looked up and the range was all over the place. I found one necklace of the Romanovs that was gorgeous but I don't know if that is what the term applies to or not. - Original Message - From: "Susan B. Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PR

[h-cost] Tudor roses again

2006-02-14 Thread Cascio Michael
Hello again, Thanks again for all the links. I was planning on a padded satin stitch for the roses, more like the Helena Snakenborg, but with more of a scatter pattern like some of the Italian shifts. Thanks again. Cassandra __

[h-cost] Knitting Historians?

2006-02-14 Thread roscelinlimoges
Recently there was a discussion about the history of knitting. I didn't really pay to much attention to it since I do not knit. But a friend of mine is a knitter and wants to talk to anyone who does know the history of knitting. If you can help, would you please contact me privately so I

RE: [h-cost] italian childs renaissance dress

2006-02-14 Thread Susan B. Farmer
Quoting otsisto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Thank you. This looks to be worn under a dress as a combination forepart and plastron. Ooh, now that's something that I hadn't considered! Jerusha - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology h

[h-cost] 10th - 11th C. German

2006-02-14 Thread roscelinlimoges
I hope someone can assist me. One of the members of my "household" wants to take a look at what a 10th to the 11th C. German. craftsman would have worn. I tried to look through the net - but must not of worded my search correctly because I could not find anything. Thanks! Roscelin __

Re: [h-cost] Smock or Partlet was Tudor roses

2006-02-14 Thread Becky
Is there a way to make a smock that can create the illusion of being different parts and still be accuate? With my daughter being so young, I think that fewer layers would be better for her. She won't be in any competition of costume so I think we can fudge the costume for comfort and design. I

Re: [h-cost] women costumes from "The three musketeers"

2006-02-14 Thread AlbertCat
In a message dated 2/14/2006 5:34:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Those Frenchthey may not be accurate, but they are beautifully executed! HeyI made a French Revolution joke :-P ___ h

Re: [h-cost] Tudor effigies and women walking

2006-02-14 Thread kelly grant
Not sure why the 'gown shorter than the kirtle' idea? Can you explain? As for the length of dresses seeming long, we in the modern era walk differently than ladies of the historical era would have. If, when you are walking, you let your toes drop to a relax point when stepping forward, it is d

Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 139

2006-02-14 Thread Carmen Beaudry
Have you seen the "Three Musketeers" and the "Four Musketeers" with Michael York, Richard Chamberlain, and Oliver Reed? Talk about costumes!!! They are amazing, and they have recently become available on DVD. Although again, Raquel Welch's costumes were designed differently from all the rest,

RE: [h-cost] italian childs renaissance dress

2006-02-14 Thread otsisto
Thank you. This looks to be worn under a dress as a combination forepart and plastron. Thank you again. :) De -Original Message- Found this, and thoaght some of you might not have seen it yeat. http://www.mfa.org/collections/search_art.asp?coll_keywords=dress&submit.x=3 &submit.y=10&coll_s

[h-cost] Tudor effigies and women walking

2006-02-14 Thread Kimiko Small
Hi all, Forgive me if you've seen this question on another list before, but I didn't get any response, so I was hoping those learned folk here would be able to provide some insight. I've been looking at the online effigies database (http://www.jmdsrv1.dyndns.org/tudoreffigies), and was struc

Re: [h-cost] women costumes from "The three musketeers"

2006-02-14 Thread Bjarne og Leif Drews
Hi Zuzanna, I looked at the picture from the movie you sended a link to. The costumes looks gorgeous, but: The bodices are much two long. The cavallier style had high waists, and for some reason movies always makes the bodices two long in my oppinion. There is only one bodice/ corset survived fro

[h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 139

2006-02-14 Thread Gail & Scott Finke
Zuzana wrote: > Hi all, > I've always been fascinated by the costumes from "Trois mousquetaires" (1961, > two parts, starring G.Barray), I've never seen a historical movie where the > people in the costumes would look so good like here. I'm only a bit suspicious > that the kind of women's costume

Re: [h-cost] Smock or Partlet was Tudor roses

2006-02-14 Thread Alex Doyle
I was leaning towards the chemise under the smock too, since you wouldn't want all that embroidery to have to be washed a lot and not only is the construction easier, it's easier to wear as a smock than a partlet and sleeves with this style of gown/sleeve, IMHO of course. alex [EMAIL PRO

Re: [h-cost] italian childs renaissance dress

2006-02-14 Thread Ailith Mackintosh
Thanks so much, Bjarne! It's wonderful. Now if it were only in color and on view. Oh, well. I guess we can't have everything. Kate - Original Message - From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 12:42 PM Subject: [h-cost] i

Re: [h-cost] women costumes from "The three musketeers"

2006-02-14 Thread Kate M Bunting
Zuzana, I've never come across this film before, but the dress in the photograph looks historically inaccurate to me. Costume designers in the 1960s used to dress the leading ladies according to the modern taste for a "natural" bustline; they thought audiences would find straight-fronted bodices

Re: [h-cost] women costumes from "The three musketeers"

2006-02-14 Thread AlbertCat
In a message dated 2/14/2006 1:50:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I really wonder how the dresses (here I mean mainly the costumes of the queen and milady) were made - .[snip]. It shouldn't be, but if there would not be any stiffening in the bodice, how come

Re: [h-cost] women costumes from "The three musketeers"

2006-02-14 Thread Zuzana Kraemerova
1975? On imdb.com is only a 1974 "The four Musketeers". Then what's the other movie you meant? Anyway, I've seen The four musketeers some years ago, so I don't really remember the costumes (I wasn't interested in them yet), but I think I'll definitively download it... Michael York is my favorite

Re: [h-cost] women costumes from "The three musketeers"

2006-02-14 Thread Bjarne og Leif Drews
Hi again, Forgot to add that the skirt in Evolution is cut in cone shapes, but i did not use this. I used full width of the skirt. Dawns bumroll pattern would be ideal for this. Bjarne - Original Message - From: "Zuzana Kraemerova" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "h-costume" Sent: Tuesday,

Re: [h-cost] women costumes from "The three musketeers"

2006-02-14 Thread AlbertCat
In a message dated 2/14/2006 1:50:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've never seen a historical movie where the people in the costumes would look so good like here. Hmm... The gowns look to me like late-50s - early 60s , and I mean 1950s and 60s, silhouette

Re: [h-cost] italian childs renaissance dress

2006-02-14 Thread Susan B. Farmer
Quoting Bjarne og Leif Drews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Found this, and thoaght some of you might not have seen it yeat. http://www.mfa.org/collections/search_art.asp?coll_keywords=dress&submit.x=3&submit.y=10&coll_start=81 No, I hadn't! Thanks, Bjarne! Short-sleeves and embroidery too! If it wa

Re: [h-cost] Smock or Partlet was Tudor roses

2006-02-14 Thread AlbertCat
In a message dated 2/14/2006 10:17:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just curious, why do you think this is not an embroidered smock but partlet and sleeves? I wondered that too...but you can see a smidgen of a chemise underneath...at the CF opening. Of course th

[h-cost] women costumes from "The three musketeers"

2006-02-14 Thread Zuzana Kraemerova
Hi all, I've always been fascinated by the costumes from "Trois mousquetaires" (1961, two parts, starring G.Barray), I've never seen a historical movie where the people in the costumes would look so good like here. I'm only a bit suspicious that the kind of women's costume was used a bit later

[h-cost] italian childs renaissance dress

2006-02-14 Thread Bjarne og Leif Drews
Found this, and thoaght some of you might not have seen it yeat. http://www.mfa.org/collections/search_art.asp?coll_keywords=dress&submit.x=3&submit.y=10&coll_start=81 Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/

RE: [h-cost] Tudor roses

2006-02-14 Thread otsisto
In my interpretation of the portrait, I believe that the puffed sections are attached to the bodice and the rose embroidered sleeves are detachable. But others have interpreted the what I believe is a partlet and sleeves to be a shirt. There is a dress diary online somewhere that recreates the outf

RE: [h-cost] Smock or Partlet was Tudor roses

2006-02-14 Thread otsisto
Though I am not 100% sure that it is a partlet and sleeves, it looks as if she is wearing a chemise under the alleged partlet. Though once upon a time I would have said "because the sleeves and partlet look of different materials" but I have noticed a while back that the sleeves don't match real we

[h-cost] Smock or Partlet was Tudor roses

2006-02-14 Thread Alex Doyle
As for roses, this is a partlet and sleeves not a shift but good for inspiration http://www.tudor-portraits.com/HelenaSnakeborg.jpg De Just curious, why do you think this is not an embroidered smock but partlet and sleeves? alex ___ h-costu

Re: [h-cost] Tudor roses

2006-02-14 Thread Becky
In this one: http://www.tudor-portraits.com/HelenaSnakeborg.jpg Are the bands on the shoulder and the sleeve attached or is the sleeve one that comes off (Attached by ribbons or hooks?) I love those shoulder puffed bands. I have the directions on how to make them. I just wanted to know if the s

Re: [h-cost] Tudor roses

2006-02-14 Thread Becky
Elizabeth likes the Unknown child7 picture. That is the basic design I wanted to use. I'll keep that one to use for reference. Thanks. - Original Message - From: "otsisto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 1:31 AM Subject:

Re: [h-cost] Silk Cord for Lacing Purses

2006-02-14 Thread Lloyd Mitchell
Fire Mountain carries a full color range of rat-tail silk cord (and also mouse-tail). I use these braided or twisted together as well as for couching. Dharma carries this also in white and now, black. kathleen - Original Message - From: "Julie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]

[h-cost] silk cord

2006-02-14 Thread Bjarne og Leif Drews
Hi, I got a link for a supplier of silk cord! http://www.ribbonsmyth.com/ribbdyes.htm In case somebody else are interrested. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing l