RE: [h-cost] period dye color references

2006-03-16 Thread otsisto
I have always heard that it is the flower or the whole plant that is used in dyeing not just the root. (Though there is a site online that says you can get a red from the root). What color is made, I don't know as I have not gotten into natural dyeing. One person told me that she achieved an almost

Re: [h-cost] "Great Coat"

2006-03-16 Thread michaela
> I'm reading a diary of a young woman in Virginia in 1787, and she uses the > term "great coat" for an article of clothing. It is clear from the context > that this is NOT the many-caped, overcoat type garment. I know that "coat" > could refer to a petticoat, but any ideas as to this particular

Re: [h-cost] "Great Coat"

2006-03-16 Thread AnnBWass
In a message dated 3/16/2006 8:51:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When Struensee, a german doctor was excecuted in Copenhagen, the newspapers wrote that he wore a "Viltskur" wich is the danish name of a greatcoat made of fur. His fur coat was made of wolf. It was an

Re: [h-cost] semi-OT: waiting for books

2006-03-16 Thread Catherine Olanich Raymond
On Thursday 16 March 2006 6:24 pm, Suzi Clarke wrote: [snip] > >E House wrote: > >>Has anyone order and actually received either of these two books? > >> > >> > >> > >>"The Tudor Tailor" by Ninya Mikhaila et al (pre-ordered from website) > >>ISBN: ? > > Ninya Mikhaila has only just received her own

Re: [h-cost] "Great Coat"

2006-03-16 Thread AnnBWass
In a message dated 3/16/2006 3:57:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Perhaps it just means the outer most coat, or a long coatwhether it has multiple capes,or is even heavy wool, or no. Perhaps a long light coat for fall or spring or riding or traveling. "Great"

RE: [h-cost] semi-OT: waiting for books

2006-03-16 Thread Sharon at Collierfam.com
Try 1-800-201-7575. I've gotten a real, live person at this number. Good luck! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lavolta Press Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 1:59 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] semi-OT: waiting for books Co

RE: [h-cost] semi-OT: waiting for books

2006-03-16 Thread Sharon at Collierfam.com
I ordered "Tudor Tailor" and have not received it yet. Sharon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of E House Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 12:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] semi-OT: waiting for books Has anyone order and actually

[h-cost] Re: h-cost] semi-OT: waiting for books

2006-03-16 Thread Beth and Bob Matney
I ordered "Material culture in London in an age of transition: Tudor and Stuart period finds c. 1450 - c. 1700 from Excavations at Riverside sites in Southwark" by Geoff Egan on 10/18/05 from DBBC "The Tutor Tailor" is due out in April. I ordered mine 1/30/06 directly from the author. I have

Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 250

2006-03-16 Thread Jean Waddie
I believe the word "factio" originally referred to the chariot-racing teams, and then the supporters of each team banded together for social welfare etc, and the modern meaning of "faction" as a political grouping grew out of that. Jean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Ooh! I was just reading about t

Re: [h-cost] semi-OT: waiting for books

2006-03-16 Thread Suzi Clarke
At 20:49 16/03/2006, you wrote: I ordered the Tudor Tailor. Still waiting on it. They said "March 2006" and it is still March... E House wrote: Has anyone order and actually received either of these two books? "The Tudor Tailor" by Ninya Mikhaila et al (pre-ordered from website) ISBN: ?

Re: [h-cost] 17th c doublet cuff closure

2006-03-16 Thread Bjarne og Leif Drews
Hi Cin, The print i talk about is in the italian fashion history book by Mila Contini, if you would like, i can scan the print for you and send you by email. I am not sertan about what you want, a book about doublets? If there was on i would surely like to know :-) The cut of mens clothes has

Re: [h-cost] Glove pic

2006-03-16 Thread Kahlara
Wow, that is an awesome painting! I've forgotten how fabulous the old masters, especially Rembrandt were. Most of the time when folks post a painting for reference I just look at the article of clothing or details that are being referenced, but this one just knocked my socks off as a work of art

Re: [h-cost] Re: semi-OT: waiting for books

2006-03-16 Thread Robin Netherton
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006, Onaree Berard wrote: > Could you give the url to David Brown Co for those of us in the US? http://www.oxbowbooks.com/home.cfm You'll get a screen asking you whether you want the US or UK site (and pricing). The Egan book is here: http://www.oxbowbooks.com/bookinfo.cfm/ID/44

Re: [h-cost] semi-OT: waiting for books

2006-03-16 Thread Robin Netherton
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006, Cynthia J Ley wrote: > Boydell & Brewer (David Brown Co., in the US) had it out last month. David Brown is the US branch of the UK's Oxbow booksellers; it is not the same as the publisher Boydell & Brewer, though Brown/Oxbow sells many of Boydell's books (including mine). -

Re: [h-cost] semi-OT: waiting for books

2006-03-16 Thread Lavolta Press
Considering it's almost impossible to get hold of a live person at Amazon, the "Your Account" page is probably your only recourse. Note that these days if you choose the free shipping option, Amazon often holds the entire order until _all_ items are available, which can be weeks or even a coup

Re: [h-cost] semi-OT: waiting for books

2006-03-16 Thread E House
- Original Message - From: "Lavolta Press" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> When you log into Amazon you can go to a "Your Account" page, where you can look at all your orders and see the exact status of each one. The problem is that someone else ordered it for me. =} I _think_ she's checked that,

[h-cost] Re: semi-OT: waiting for books

2006-03-16 Thread Onaree Berard
Could you give the url to David Brown Co for those of us in the US? Onaree On 3/16/06, Cynthia J Ley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Boydell & Brewer (David Brown Co., in the US) had it out last month. > > Arlys -- Proud List Mom of Irish_Crochet_Lovers http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Irish_Crochet

Re: [h-cost] 17th c doublet cuff closure

2006-03-16 Thread Cin
>> Caravaggio's "The Fortune Teller" now in the Louvre. Both my >>copy & the original are mustard gold velvet with the chocolate >>brown racing stripes and those huge balloon sleeves. At the >>cuff, which cant be seen well in my Louvre catalog, is the closure >>on the outside if the wrist, insid

Re: [h-cost] semi-OT: waiting for books

2006-03-16 Thread Cynthia J Ley
Boydell & Brewer (David Brown Co., in the US) had it out last month. Arlys On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 15:32:17 -0600 (CST) Robin Netherton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > On Thu, 16 Mar 2006, E House wrote: > > > Has anyone order and actually received either of these two books? > > > > "Material Cult

Re: [h-cost] semi-OT: waiting for books

2006-03-16 Thread Lavolta Press
E House wrote: Has anyone order and actually received either of these two books? "Material Culture in London in an Age of Transititon: Tudor and Stuart Period Finds c. 1450-c. 1700 from Excavations at Riverside Sites in Southwark" by Geoff Egan ISBN: 190199239X Yes. "The Tudor Tailor" by

Re: [h-cost] semi-OT: waiting for books

2006-03-16 Thread Joan Jurancich
At 12:41 PM 3/16/2006, you wrote: Has anyone order and actually received either of these two books? "Material Culture in London in an Age of Transititon: Tudor and Stuart Period Finds c. 1450-c. 1700 from Excavations at Riverside Sites in Southwark" by Geoff Egan ISBN: 190199239X "The Tudor

Re: [h-cost] "Great Coat"

2006-03-16 Thread Bjarne og Leif Drews
When Struensee, a german doctor was excecuted in Copenhagen, the newspapers wrote that he wore a "Viltskur" wich is the danish name of a greatcoat made of fur. His fur coat was made of wolf. It was angle lenght and had a big collar attached to it according to the print they published of the epis

Re: [h-cost] semi-OT: waiting for books

2006-03-16 Thread Robin Netherton
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006, E House wrote: > Has anyone order and actually received either of these two books? > > "Material Culture in London in an Age of Transititon: Tudor and Stuart > Period Finds c. 1450-c. 1700 from Excavations at Riverside Sites in > Southwark" by Geoff Egan ISBN: 190199239X Th

Re: [h-cost] "Great Coat"

2006-03-16 Thread AlbertCat
In a message dated 3/16/2006 3:39:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear List, I'm reading a diary of a young woman in Virginia in 1787, and she uses the term "great coat" for an article of clothing. It is clear from the context that this is NOT the many-caped, o

Re: [h-cost] "Great Coat"

2006-03-16 Thread Bjarne og Leif Drews
Dear Ann Was, Greatcoat is just a term of a winter used garment, worn outside of the jacket. It could be cut just like a jacket, but would be a little bigger, so that the jacket could be inside it. Bjarne - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Th

Re: [h-cost] 17th c doublet cuff closure

2006-03-16 Thread Bjarne og Leif Drews
Brilliant notice of mine. Sorry, i thoaght it was the cuffs you were asking about, not the sleaves... Bjarne - Original Message - From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 9:36 PM Subject: R

Re: [h-cost] semi-OT: waiting for books

2006-03-16 Thread Lonnie D. Harvel
I ordered the Tudor Tailor. Still waiting on it. They said "March 2006" and it is still March... E House wrote: Has anyone order and actually received either of these two books? "The Tudor Tailor" by Ninya Mikhaila et al (pre-ordered from website) ISBN: ? __

[h-cost] list wonky

2006-03-16 Thread E House
By the way, I've noticed a lot of my posts coming through wy out of order--apologies to anyone who's gotten confused by the seeming non-sequitors! -E House ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-

Re: [h-cost] clothing from the crusades

2006-03-16 Thread Cat Dancer
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My husband is early period, around 1196-1220 time frame. I'm looking for period references for clothing for a middle class, or nobility (other than monarchs) from that era. While I have found MANY references to the armor and surcoats they wore, I

[h-cost] semi-OT: waiting for books

2006-03-16 Thread E House
Has anyone order and actually received either of these two books? "Material Culture in London in an Age of Transititon: Tudor and Stuart Period Finds c. 1450-c. 1700 from Excavations at Riverside Sites in Southwark" by Geoff Egan ISBN: 190199239X "The Tudor Tailor" by Ninya Mikhaila et al (pre-

[h-cost] "Great Coat"

2006-03-16 Thread AnnBWass
Dear List, I'm reading a diary of a young woman in Virginia in 1787, and she uses the term "great coat" for an article of clothing. It is clear from the context that this is NOT the many-caped, overcoat type garment. I know that "coat" could refer to a petticoat, but any ideas as to this pa

Re: [h-cost] 17th c doublet cuff closure

2006-03-16 Thread Bjarne og Leif Drews
Hi Cynthia, Abraham Bossé the fashion illustrator has made a print of La Gallerie du Pallais showing ready made cuffs and collars exhibitted in a gallanterie shop. The Cuffs are open, and i believe they were pinned in place. Bjarne - Original Message - From: "Cin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: [h-cost] 17th c doublet cuff closure

2006-03-16 Thread Carmen Beaudry
Ladies & Gents, A quick question, I'm copying the doublet worn by the dashing gent in Caravaggio's "The Fortune Teller" now in the Louvre. Both my copy & the original are mustard gold velvet with the chocolate brown racing stripes and those huge balloon sleeves. At the cuff, which cant be seen w

[h-cost] clothing from the crusades

2006-03-16 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
My husband is early period, around 1196-1220 time frame. I'm looking for period references for clothing for a middle class, or nobility (other than monarchs) from that era. While I have found MANY references to the armor and surcoats they wore, I haven't found a lot of references to everyday clot

[h-cost] 17th c doublet cuff closure

2006-03-16 Thread Cin
Ladies & Gents, A quick question, I'm copying the doublet worn by the dashing gent in Caravaggio's "The Fortune Teller" now in the Louvre. Both my copy & the original are mustard gold velvet with the chocolate brown racing stripes and those huge balloon sleeves. At the cuff, which cant be seen we

Re: [h-cost] questions about 1410 costumes

2006-03-16 Thread Susan Carroll-Clark
Greetings-- Many period dyes make strong/deep colors, and these would have been preferred. Perhaps there was something specific to the Teutonic knights that required sober hues? The black cross on white surcote seems to have been their "uniform." De: I mostly was wondering about the r

re: [h-cost] period dye color references

2006-03-16 Thread Cin
>In reference roughly to 12th - 14th centuries. I have been eyeing a lovely piece of >magenta wool. My herbal book says this color can be attained using dandelion - >the whole plant with no mordant. > 1. are there any historical references for this color? I know that dandelion > flowers produce a

Re: bows and flowers Re: [h-cost] Glove pic

2006-03-16 Thread Susan B. Farmer
Quoting michaela <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Jerusha said Also neat! Those could be bows, or flowers, or butterflies, or . Atcually I have seen the book this was scanned from (I recongise a lot of the pictures shown on the site from a couple of books I've got my paws on) and they were definit

RE: [h-cost] questions about 1410 costumes

2006-03-16 Thread Robin Netherton
On Wed, 15 Mar 2006, otsisto wrote: > I have learned to take Wikipedia with a grain of salt. On one of the > lists someone mentioned that he had found flaws with it as anyone can > leave info on a subject. Be it w/scholarly research or not. Oh, of course, it's not a reliable source for formal re

bows and flowers Re: [h-cost] Glove pic

2006-03-16 Thread michaela
> > Poot, I was wrong, they are actually daisys: > > http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/fmlac10526_10b.jpg > > Neat picture, though. I love flowers:) > > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Various_7.htm > > The Princess Royal, daughter of James I, VI and Anne, 1603. (National > > Maritime Museum)She's al

Re: [h-cost] Re: monk underwear

2006-03-16 Thread Heather Rose Jones
On Mar 15, 2006, at 4:41 AM, Gail & Scott Finke wrote: In latin: (for those who don't trust translations :-) Femoralia hi qui in via diriguntur de vestario accipiant, quae revertentes lota ibi restituant. Et cucullae et tunicae sint aliquanto a solio quas habent modice meliores; quas exeuntes in

Re: [h-cost] OT: self employment tax question

2006-03-16 Thread Heather Rose Jones
Some general principles to keep in mind on this. The organization is trying to cut costs and increase flexibility. (This is a truism: companies are always trying to cut costs and increase flexibility.) When you're calculating how much to ask for, add up _all_ the ways in which the org

Re: [h-cost] period dye color references

2006-03-16 Thread Cat Dancer
On Wed, 15 Mar 2006, Kahlara wrote: In reference roughly to 12th - 14th centuries. I have been eyeing a lovely piece of magenta wool. My herbal book says this color can be attained using dandelion - the whole plant with no mordant. 1. are there any historical references for this color? I kn

[h-cost] Update on Theatre Museum

2006-03-16 Thread Suzi Clarke
I received the following from the Deputy Director of the V and A regarding the Theatre Museum. "Thank you for your email to the Director. The press coverage is misleading, because the Trustees of the V&A have not yet made a decision. One option is to close the building, but others would inclu

Re: [h-cost] finished belt pouch

2006-03-16 Thread Joan Jurancich
At 06:25 AM 3/15/2006, you wrote: Hi, With permission of the commisioner, i have posted pics of the finished medieval belt pouch with lion rampants at: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/beltpouch.htm Bjarne Nice job, as usual, Bjarne. Joan Jurancich [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___

Re: [h-cost] OT: self employment tax question

2006-03-16 Thread AnnBWass
In a message dated 3/15/2006 2:29:22 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: May I ask where the 15% increase comes in? The 7.65% Social Security/Medicare employee portion has already been withheld from her paycheck, so that will not make a difference in her net pay. You

Re: [h-cost] Glove pic

2006-03-16 Thread Lalah
And a handsome tuxedo cat it is too! Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Historical Costume <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Glove pic Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 02:38:00 -0600 Ah ha, Suzi, you've got

Re: [h-cost] Glove pic

2006-03-16 Thread E House
There's a larger image here: http://www.tudor-portraits.com/HenryWriothesley.jpg -E House ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume

Re: [h-cost] starching

2006-03-16 Thread Penny Ladnier
My mom was visiting me recently and showed me some tricks for starching fancy doilies that might help. She said use Stayflo liquid starch, blue bottle. Make sure to cut the starch in half with water. Soak the fabric or doilies in the solution. I pinned the doilies to a foam core board with T

[h-cost] Re:Glove pic

2006-03-16 Thread Kathy Page
> I keep thinking I've seen this glove before, but I > have seen similar > ones in the portrait of Lady Mary Neville and her > Son Gregory > Fiennes, 10th Baron Dacre (1559) I had looked at this one too, but couldn't get a close enough look at it, till I tripped on this site: http://www.employe

[h-cost] Fwd: Theatre Museum

2006-03-16 Thread Suzi Clarke
I received the following letter in reply to my e-mail to the director. I think it makes the whole situation quite clear. Thank you for your email to the Director. The press coverage is misleading, because the Trustees of the V&A have not yet made a decision. One option is to close the build

Re: [h-cost] Issue 230? Equestrian, et al

2006-03-16 Thread Kahlara
:-) As in h-costume Digest Vol 5, Issue 230, similar to issue 255, which I didn't get either. I know this is just a glitch in the system, as sometimes I miss one, or they come out of order, for example I may still get 255 it will just arrive after 256 (the one I'm responding to). Usually I just

RE: [h-cost] questions about 1410 costumes

2006-03-16 Thread otsisto
I finally received a reply. She said that the sober colors come from a 1295 manuscript on the Teutonic knights attire and thought that anyone working or being around the Knights would also wear sober colors. De ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail

Re: [h-cost] questions about 1410 costumes

2006-03-16 Thread Melanie Schuessler
De: I have understood that even in this period (1410) that there were bright colors worn, not just sober even among the lower class. Robin Netherton wrote: Many period dyes make strong/deep colors, and these would have been preferred. Perhaps there was something specific to the Teutonic knight

Re: [h-cost] Glove pic

2006-03-16 Thread Bjarne og Leif Drews
The bows looks to me to be made of coral pearls? Bjarne - Original Message - From: "Susan B. Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 8:44 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Glove pic Quoting michaela <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > My f

Re: [h-cost] Glove pic

2006-03-16 Thread Kate M Bunting
I can only think of Rembrandt's portrait of Jan Six. http://www.artchive.com/artchive/R/rembrandt/jan_six.jpg.html has links to 2 articles which discuss the significance of the gloves in this picture. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 15/03/2006 12:48 >>> W

Re: [h-cost] period dye color references

2006-03-16 Thread Kate M Bunting
I believe magenta was one of the aniline dyes invented in the later 19th century and was named after a battle in Napoleon III's reign - but I assume the poster was referring to a natural colour approaching that shade. >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 15/03/2006 21:49 >>> I always thought that magenta w