Re: [h-cost] iron corset

Tuberculosis often spreads from the lungs to other parts of the body, or may first appear in other parts of the body. These include the spine and other bones, meninges of the brain and spinal cord, kidneys, female reproductive organs, abdonminal cavity, skin, intestines, adrenal glands, blood

RE: [h-cost] iron corset

Eleonora had TB of the lungs. Contemporary commentators (Cellini, for instance) talked and wrote about how she coughed and brought up blood. And she was notoriously stubborn about accepting medical treatments. OTOH, She daily drank a quart of mineral water from a thermal spring to help her. Not th

Re: [h-cost] Other resources for 1800's gown

On Wednesday 08 November 2006 7:30 pm, Voncile W. Dudley wrote: > I am constructing a dress simular to this one except my dress has princess > front and squared neckline and a detatchable cape. > > This one is gorgeous. Hope mine looks as good! > Lady Von > http://www.wildthangstreasures.com

RE: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor -- another review

I made a "Mary Tudor" dress using the book and was pleasantly surprised. Nice french hood patterns. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 2:13 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor -- ano

Re: [h-cost] iron corset

TB is not just a lung disease; you can get tuberculosis of the spine. Fran monica spence wrote: Eleonora di Toledo used these (probably) in the early yaers of her infection with TB (Circa 1550). She insisted on being out in public with her husband Duke Cosimo I de Medici and she wore these unde

RE: [h-cost] iron corset

Eleonora di Toledo used these (probably) in the early yaers of her infection with TB (Circa 1550). She insisted on being out in public with her husband Duke Cosimo I de Medici and she wore these under her gowns so her posture would stay erect. It is possible that she was worried bad posture might s

Re: [h-cost] Catherine's waist measure

Luann, I understand what you mean. My grand-daughter is thin like yours and one year old. She has food allergies. She is very low in the percentile on the growth chart. I just measured her and she has a 19" waist. I have always thought the adult under 20" waist was a crock. If you look a

Re: [h-cost] Corset Training for 13"

> Does anyone have an actual copy of this book, who can check the > footnotes? I've found an online version, but the notes are not given > with the text. I've got one coming. It should arrive by the beginning of next week. Emma ___ h-costume mailin

Re: [h-cost] Corset Training for 13"

Galadriel Lothlorien wrote: As for iron corsets, if they were anything normal, don't you think we'd have lots more of them in existence? I mean, they're IRON! They don't disintegrate. I'm in the "medical purposes" camp as far as those go. But they do get melted down for war materiel along

re: [h-cost] iron corset

Jeeze, you know, I wish I still had some of the old research materials I used for a film I worked on last century (last century, I love being able to say that)... There are various kinds of these things around. Of the most common pics I've seen are ones that are considered to be ceremonial or dec

Re: [h-cost] Corset Training for 13"

> http://www.staylace.com/gallery/gallery05/lillielangry/index.html That first photo looks modified on the left (her right) at the waist. Somebody posted a link here once about modified old photos but I don't have it anymore. As for iron corsets, if they were anything normal, don't you think w

Re: [h-cost] Other resources for 1800's gown

You might want to have a look at this collection of fashion plates http://hal.ucr.edu/~cathy/reg3.html the train certainly shows up on dresses worn for occasions other than court, but given the length of the train I'd still assume it was for a full dress occasion. Elizabeth - Original Messa

RE: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor -- another review

A very excellent review, and yes the female models(which may be the authors' themselves) are very thin. We should remember that these are European authors and patterns, both who are slimmer than Americans. I might add that these patterns are scale ones so a projector or graph paper is a must in s

Re: [h-cost] Other resources for 1800's gown

I am constructing a dress simular to this one except my dress has princess front and squared neckline and a detatchable cape. This one is gorgeous. Hope mine looks as good! Lady Von http://www.wildthangstreasures.com Saragrace Knauf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi all, I was wonderi

Re: [h-cost] Corset Training for 13"

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ** Yes! Like I said, the goal of a Renn. corset is not to synch in the waist. It all sounds like a post 19th century myth. I'm beginning to think that myself. All the web sources seem to point back to _The Corset and the Crinoline_ from 1868. I bet th

re: [h-cost] iron corset

There's a line in Eleanora di Firenza's accounts that shows she ordered two. One is in either the Bargello or the Palazzo Vecchio collection in Florence. I saw it last summer. The docent there claimed the steel corset was ordered as an orthotic, rather like a backbrace. Another is in the Itali

[h-cost] Other resources for 1800's gown

Hi all, I was wondering if anyone could point me to resources (books, etc.) which might help me find out more about this style of gown. http://tinyurl.com/hzc6a I've been asked to make and under dress, head dress and gloves for it for the Phoenix Art Museum. What I

Re: [h-cost] Corset Training for 13"

In a message dated 11/8/2006 6:40:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thank you for sharing this. A 13 inch waist is not impossible, but I'd be interested in any pre-Victorian examples. (I'm not sure the waist training necessary for a 13-inch waist is possible with an

Re: [h-cost] Catherine's waist measure

Did the article Janet Arnold do on the Efigy corset give dimensions?I remember asking Drea about it...hmmm..old brain condition prevents me from recalling. I would think that you could work out a realistic height and waist measurement from that. Otherwise, I have never heard specific weigh

Re: [h-cost] Corset Training for 13"

Thank you for sharing this. A 13 inch waist is not impossible, but I'd be interested in any pre-Victorian examples. (I'm not sure the waist training necessary for a 13-inch waist is possible with an Elizabethan-style corset. The shapes are profoundly different.) Emma Quoting Sonja <[EMAIL PROT

[h-cost] Corset Training for 13"

I didn't see anyone post this, so I thought I would go ahead.  I do hope this is not considered off-topic; my apologies if so.  The 13" waist is achieved through a strict body modification process called "tightlacing" or corset training.  The measurement is taken just as you would for a regular

Re: [h-cost] Catherine's waist measure

And she looks AWFUL ! Deformed, even! I saw her on TV. Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Nov 8, 2006, at 5:26 PM, Cynthia J Ley wrote: On Wed, 08 Nov 200

Re: [h-cost] Catherine's waist measure

On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 12:03:41 -0600 Dawn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > 13" waist? > > > > Baloney! Check out the Guiness Book of World Records. They have a tiny measurement for a modern woman you and I would consider average-sized, but darned if I can remember wh

[h-cost] Tudor Tailor -- another review

I received my copy this morning, and have spent most of the day reading it. I'm more impressed than I thought I would be. First, the quality of the book, the binding, the paper, and the photography, is very good. The first three chapters have a lot of pictures, some I've seen a lot of other pla

[h-cost] Re: Fourfoottwo myth; 1690 skirts

Thanks for posting that link, Beth! That was really interesting. The dead-at-forty thing is something I'm always arguing with people, too. Just because your life expectancy at birth was thirty-five doesn't mean thirty-five-year-olds had gray hair and hobbled around on canes! Bjarne, than

Re: Books on Demand was : [h-cost] iron corset

Saragrace Knauf wrote: Looking the 1869 Corset and Crinolines book in bookfinder.com, My friend Robb Shep reprinted that at one point, though I don't see it on his list now. I came across several "ads" for books on demand printing. Has anyone used this type of service? There is somethi

RE: [h-cost] Catherine's waist measure

Ditto that. I've measured quite a few people, mostly kids, and the smallest girl I have ever measured was a 19" waist - she was a stick thin girl of about 10. And very cut, if I may say so myself. :-) But I reassert - she was really, really thin. My sister Steph is thin, and her waist is 21". Qui

RE: [h-cost] Catherine's waist measure

This doesn't give waist measurements but it does give average heights. IF super small waits were in fashion the portraits of the day would look wildly out of proportion to us. I'm shorter than the average of the time you're looking at and at my thinnest had a barely over 21" waist. Even is I had be

Re: [h-cost] Catherine's waist measure

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 13" waist? Baloney! Maybe the 13" was meant to be a hip-to-hip measurement, taken perhaps from a garment laying flat? A petite, yet grown, woman could have such a waist measurement. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list

Re: [h-cost] Catherine's waist measure

> Maybe the 13" was meant to be a hip-to-hip measurement, taken perhaps > from a garment laying flat? A petite, yet grown, woman could have such a > waist measurement. While that is possible, the sources that reference a 13" waist are all talking about circumference, and they don't actually cit

Re: [h-cost] Catherine's waist measure

Not trying to be difficult, here, but no, not even on a nine year old (says this mom of five kids). I knew the 13" number was ringing a bell for me, but it took a minute for me to remember why. If you check medical charts that compare infants' weight, length and head circumference, you'll see

Re: [h-cost] Catherine's waist measure

On Wed, 8 Nov 2006, Suzi Clarke wrote: > >An idea on the so tiny waistline. I don't think it was really so > >tiny for its time. Catherine was 14 years Elizabeth Tudor's senior. > >Elizabeth grew to be 4'10" and weigh approximately 85 lbs. She was > >not considered undersized. Assuming that C

Re: [h-cost] Catherine's waist measure

13" waist? Baloney! If one is 9 years old maybe. It is true that the average person was smaller then than the average person todayand it is also true that girls who grow up wearing corsets and such can stand tight lacing more than girls who grow up in stretch fabrics. But the differ

Re: [h-cost] Catherine's waist measure

At 16:21 08/11/2006, you wrote: Thanks for the tips on where to find standard sizing. I can't afford it either. I'll just keep on as I have been. An idea on the so tiny waistline. I don't think it was really so tiny for its time. Catherine was 14 years Elizabeth Tudor's senior. Elizabeth grew t

[h-cost] Catherine's waist measure

Thanks for the tips on where to find standard sizing. I can't afford it either. I'll just keep on as I have been. An idea on the so tiny waistline. I don't think it was really so tiny for its time. Catherine was 14 years Elizabeth Tudor's senior. Elizabeth grew to be 4'10" and weigh approximatel

Books on Demand was : [h-cost] iron corset

Looking the 1869 Corset and Crinolines book in bookfinder.com, I came across several "ads" for books on demand printing. http://tinyurl.com/y6cxn6 I had heard it would become a reality several years ago in an editing class I was taking, but didn't know it had done

Re: [h-cost] iron corset

- Original Message - From: "Penny Ladnier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] iron corset I have in my online library three images of two metal corsets for this period in chapter 4 of the f

Re: [h-cost] iron corset

This from Valerie Steele's "The Corset: A Cultural History" (2001) "There do exist in museum collections certain notorious iron corsets, which are usually dated to about 1580-1600. But were they really the first fashionable corsets? Modern scholars who have examined them tend to believe that th

Re: [h-cost] iron corset

I have in my online library three images of two metal corsets for this period in chapter 4 of the following book. Book info: W.B.L. (listed author),The Corset and the Crinoline: A Book of Modes and Costumes, London: Ward, Lock, and Tyler, 1868. This book is about the history of corsetry and cr

Re: [h-cost] OT Fw:'quick change artists'

Genie Barrett wrote: My hubby did a bit of research. He found that it's all in the closures... Here's the direct link... http://www.williamsmagic.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=16741 Thanks for the link. After watching the thing several times, I do have a pretty good id