[h-cost] Re: Theater vs. Historic

On May 3, 2007, at 3:30 PM, Robin Netherton wrote: It occurs to me that the productions that get the most criticism on this list are historical drama, particularly those that purport to be realistic (say, "Elizabeth," which offered film-linked packets for school history programs as part of

Re: [h-cost] 16th-century short pants????

Hi, All. The man (Uriah) in the painting is wearing typical "Landsknecht" style clothing. The full joined hose of the late 15th C. have become upper and nether hose. The upper will develop into breeches later on. You could make them for an overheated person, but to be correct, the uppers will b

Re: [h-cost]Theatrer vs Historic (was:new Butterick pattern 5061)

Hello, I joined the list after talking to a weaver & dyer at the Southwest School of Art & Craft in San Antonio last month who pointed me to some web links that address the production of cloth. I was in hope of finding someone in North America (preferably) or Europe who I could talk to regardin

Re: [h-cost]Theater vs Historic (was:new Butterick pattern

Frankly, I thinking working with fabrics in authentic widths would be a blast. But then, I'm here more for the historical/reenactment end of things. And if I ever win the lottery (not that I play, mind you, but), then porsches be darned, I'm getting some of those exquisite silk velvets tha

Re: [h-cost]Theater vs Historic (was:new Butterick pattern

Frankly, I thinking working with fabrics in authentic widths would be a blast. But then, I'm here more for the historical/reenactment end of things. And if I ever win the lottery (not that I play, mind you, but), then porsches be darned, I'm getting some of those exquisite silk velvets that c

Re: [h-cost]Theatrer vs Historic (was:new Butterick pattern 5061)

It's funny, but actually, studying historic costume has made me appreciate what ELSE theatrical and movie costumers are doing more than I did before I knew where to hunt down period-correct sartorial information. When I'm dressing for re-enacting, I strive for ever more accurate accoutermen

Re: [h-cost] Re: Beau Brummel (was Theater vs Historic )

At 04:52 PM 5/3/2007, you wrote: I can't see any mention of multiple parts, so it appears to be a 1-shot thing. BBC Four calls it a full length feature, and apparently ran an hour and 20 minutes, which for BBC America means 2 hours. That looks just yummy. THAT I will stay up to watch! Dianne

Re: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061

On May 3, 2007, at 3:30 PM, Robin Netherton wrote: It occurs to me that the productions that get the most criticism on this list are historical drama, particularly those that purport to be realistic (say, "Elizabeth," which offered film-linked packets for school history programs as part of

RE: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061

On Thu, 3 May 2007, Sharon Collier wrote: > If you film in Hampton Court Palace or an authentic mock up of it on a > sound stage, the costumes should be stylistically the same. If the > show is filmed with a more fantasy feel to the sets, I can accept more > leeway in the costumes. It jars less

[h-cost] Re: Beau Brummel

Oooh A, thank you for bring this to our attention. I have wanted to see this ever since I watched him in Rome...yum, yum.. Sg - Original Message - From: Dawn To: Historical Costume Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 12:

RE: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061

"A Knight's Tale" is a great example. I don't know much about the period, but most of the costumes seemed okay. Except for the female lead. She stuck out like a sore thumb. I especially remember the hat that looked like something from "Breakfast at Tiffany's". -Original Message- From: [EMA

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I find that I can accept less than period correct costumes much easier in a stage production than in movies or TV shows. Maybe that is because in most stage productions, the scenery is suggested, a column standing for a tree in one scene and a ship's mast the next, etc. Suggested costumes seem to

RE: [h-cost] Re: 16th-century short pants????

Would it perhaps be a style that allowed for knee protection/cushioning when kneeling to do field work? Sharon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 10:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost]

RE: [h-cost] Re: Theatrer vs Historic

Right. The 30 foot rule often applies in theatre. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Catherine Kinsey Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 6:45 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] Re: Theatrer vs Historic from Sharon: Thoughts: -30 second c

RE: [h-cost]Theatrer vs Historic (was:new Butterick pattern 5061)

I remember when we went to Disneyland some years ago and the parade was for the movie "Mulan" I practically climbed into the street to see the fabulous costumes, all embroidered. I took lots of pictures. Gorgeous! Sharon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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And then there was the production of "Auntie Mame". For once, I was just in the cast; someone else was doing costumes. That is, she said she would costume "Mame". I got her permission to costume myself; at the dress rehersal I showed up with 5 ordinary vintage costumes. The rest of the cast

Re: [h-cost] Re: Beau Brummel (was Theater vs Historic )

I can't see any mention of multiple parts, so it appears to be a 1-shot thing. BBC Four calls it a full length feature, and apparently ran an hour and 20 minutes, which for BBC America means 2 hours. Here are some more pictures. http://www.flashbacktelevision.com/productions/beaubrummell.html Ma

Re: [h-cost]Theater vs Historic (was:new Butterick pattern

re what can be seen to the folk in the cheap seats: We attended a performance of Madame Butterfly with a large college group. Sitting way up in heaven at the Benedum, we had an excellent view of all the scene changes andd an especially goodview of the right side prop table for most of the sho

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On May 3, 2007, at 11:09 AM, MaggiRos wrote: Not that this keeps us from screaming over the costumes in something like The Tudors. The budget demands of a show like don't explain some of the design choices they made. I'm willing to give "historical fantasy" more leeway than something that cla

Re: [h-cost]Theatrer vs Historic (was:new Butterick pattern 5061)

As a costumer in community theaters with miniscule budgets, of course I join others who've said the budget is a big factor in costume design (and the question of authenticity). Absolutely also, the practical demands of the theatrical role (including the stage temperature) affect the costume d

RE: [h-cost]Theater vs Historic (was:new Butterick pattern

Also in the theater, on top of budget limitations, there is also the consideration of what is going to be seen by the audience, both in the front row and the "cheap seats" Lighting, director's vision, and just the present-time aesthetics also play a big part. Costume budgets have always been a re

[h-cost] Re: Beau Brummel (was Theater vs Historic )

MaggiRos wrote: And are we all ready for James Purefoy (sigh, faint, oh my) this sunday as Beau Brummel? BBC America at 8:00pm for those who subscribe. The website only has a few pictures, but he looks, dare I say it, dandy! Oh, yum! Is thi

Re: [h-cost]Theater vs Historic (was:new Butterick pattern

And are we all ready for James Purefoy (sigh, faint, oh my) this sunday as Beau Brummel? BBC America at 8:00pm for those who subscribe. The website only has a few pictures, but he looks, dare I say it, dandy! MaggiRos ~who only knows about the Re

Re: [h-cost]Theater vs Historic (was:new Butterick pattern

Compromises? When the performers are required to provide their own costumes at their own expense. 20 different people will each compromise in 20 different ways: this one for vanity, that one for cost, another for a favorite color, she has a quick change, he changes from tux to tails and so on. Ou

Re: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061

> Theatrical costumes need to meet different demands > than reenactment costumes, > and theatrical costumes often need to be made on a > tight deadline to boot. > Comparing the two is like comparing apples and > oranges, and > expecting "complete" historical accuracy of theatre > costumes is

Re: [h-cost] Need fabric selection advice

- Original Message - From: "MaggiRos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I find myself thinking hmm... Cavalier, or better, Restoration. Ooo. OoooOoo! Perfect! And I've been looking for an excuse to make some c1665 stays, too... -E House ___

[h-cost] Re: 16th-century short pants????

That's what I originally thought about the Bruegel field workers, or that they were worn-out hosen that had been cut off below the knees. That's why I did a double-take when I saw the Bathsheba picture, because that guy is clearly not in his drawers, or about to do any field work. Maybe, fo

Re: now costume design, was Re: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061

In a message dated 5/2/2007 6:54:45 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Of course, actor safety, comfort, and the ability to do quick- changes, dance moves, sword fights, or whatever else needs to happen in the show also often have an impact. I once draped an HMS Pina

[h-cost] Re: Theatrer vs Historic

from Sharon: Thoughts: -30 second costume changes. -$300 costume budget for the whole show-12 actors. -Director's vision-often more artistic than historically accurate, so you try and compromise. -Lack of a crew to make everything you envision. Sometimes it just comes down to not enough time. Y

Re: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061

I like this , too, about it. Kathleen (who sent most of her antique stuff to auction last week; who is wearing a lovely antique Victorian wrapper to the breakfast table, these days.) Now that I do not need to preserve it for future programs, I plan to wear the things I kept as the mood and occ

Re: [h-cost] new Butterick pattern 5061

At 00:54 03/05/2007, you wrote: This reminds me of... One thing I am sure of is that the armseye of the upper garments will not be as high as the originals nor the bottoms as capacious . These would grace any stage quite nicely. Owning originals that are Not comfortable for actual modern

Re: [h-cost]Theatrer vs Historic (was:new Butterick pattern 5061)

In a message dated 5/2/2007 9:24:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anne, when and where is this to be held? Now that I am mostly retired, i might even be able to get away in the Fall. Milwaukee, last weekend in September. I didn't save the call for papers, sin

Re: [h-cost] Tippet color

On Thu, 3 May 2007, Melissa Brown Muckart wrote: > The article "The Tippet: Accessory after the Fact?" by Robin Netherton > mentions that the tippets are almost always white. Most images I've > seen of tippets show them as white. But I don't recall ever seeing the > back side of a tippet in any o

[h-cost] Tippet color

My husband and I are both currently making 14th C. surcotes which will have tippets. The article "The Tippet: Accessory after the Fact?" by Robin Netherton mentions that the tippets are almost always white. Most images I've seen of tippets show them as white. But I don't recall ever seeing the