Re: [h-cost] Research problems WAS: Primary source for Elizabethan pillbox hats sought

2009-07-06 Thread Patricia Dunham
I dumped my copy of Peacock as useless, and wonder why I ever bought it. At least the illustrations in Wilcox are fun. -- Carolyn Kayta Barrows Indeed, indeed. I keep wanting to buy reference copies of newer books and commercial patterns that are patently awful. Also to watch

Re: [h-cost] Research problems WAS: Primary source for Elizabethan pillbox hats sought

2009-07-06 Thread Käthe Barrows
the recent spate of Pre-Raphaelite painter calendars, yipes. I happen to like pre-Raphaelite and Gothic Revival Medieval costumes, for what they are rather than for what they aren't. I even have vague plans to make one, someday... -- Carolyn Kayta Barrows -- “The future is already here, it

Re: [h-cost] Research problems WAS: Primary source for Elizabethan pillbox hats sought

2009-07-06 Thread Rickard, Patty
All we could find (and we considered it a find) was Norris. :-) Back in 1971 when I joined the SCA nobody had Janet Arnold. But thanks to (I think) Dover, we could get Wilcox. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com

Re: [h-cost] Research problems WAS: Primary source for Elizabethan pillbox hats sought

2009-07-06 Thread Maggie
Norris was my first costume resource that was an actual costume book. when I started doing faire, it was just about all we had , with a few others of the same ilk, until Janet Arnold burst on the scene and Changed Everything. MaggiRos Maggie Secara ~A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603

[h-cost] Research problems WAS: Primary source for Elizabethan pillbox hats sought

2009-07-05 Thread Patricia Dunham
We are all aware, right, that this book is not proper documentation, being nothing but re-drawings from unidentified sources? Maggie Secara ~A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603 Available at your favorite online bookseller See our gallery at http://www.zazzle.com/popinjaypress

Re: [h-cost] Research problems WAS: Primary source for Elizabethan pillbox hats sought

2009-07-05 Thread Käthe Barrows
the Mode-in books were considered very doubtful sources. All of them. That's Ruth Turner Wilcox, and The Mode In Costume was originally published in 1948. Interesting also, speaking of re-drawings, to compare any garment which appears both in Janet Arnold and Nancy Bradfield, and there are

Re: [h-cost] Research problems WAS: Primary source for Elizabethan pillbox hats sought

2009-07-05 Thread Melanie Schuessler
On Jul 5, 2009, at 10:14 PM, Käthe Barrows wrote: We need to remember that any redrawing is a secondary source at best. Sometimes Wilcox is not even a secondary source. My favorite example she got from Vecellio, who wasn't a primary source either. (Wilcox substituted heeled shoes and

Re: [h-cost] Research problems WAS: Primary source for Elizabethan pillbox hats sought

2009-07-05 Thread Käthe Barrows
She did violence to a number of Vecellio's images--I actually used Wilcox to make my very first Renaissance costume in high school and years later found out that the image I used was Vecellio's imperfect interpretation of the previous century re-drawn with improvements by Wilcox. Needless to