On Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 07:27:39PM +0200, Eli Billauer wrote:
> Dotan Cohen wrote:
>
> > The hole here is that he is not expected to read the Windows EULA
> > until it is explicitly presented to him at first boot. He could _then_
> > decide to reject the license and contact Dell. It also says,
> >
Quoting Shachar Shemesh:
> Zvi Devir wrote:
> > However, I won't start the process with
> > you unless you really want to go all the way (up to district court if
> > required).
> >
> It is not at all trivial that, should the small claims court fail, the
> district court is an option. If memo
Zvi Devir wrote:
> However, I won't start the process with
> you unless you really want to go all the way (up to district court if
> required).
>
It is not at all trivial that, should the small claims court fail, the
district court is an option. If memory serves me correctly, you are not
aut
Shachar Raindel wrote:
>
>
> When shopping for my laptop (Dell Inspiron 1525) I found out that
> windows Vista basic have a NEGATIVE price of 200$ - the N series which
> had linux preinstalled cost 200 USD more than the normal variation,
> which was (and still is) in a constant "sale", offering it
Orr Dunkelman wrote:
>
>
> The only reason Microsoft cannot have the benefit of "Buy us or
> else..." is the fact that they control too large portion of the
> market. The moment they will go under 70%, they would be able to
> actually say the above (70% may be country dependent).
>
>
>
There is
Eli, I must say I'm surprised...
On Sunday, 8 בFebruary 2009, Eli Billauer wrote:
> I have to say that the monopoly argument is refreshing. I don't know
> about the law in this case, but given that there are stable alternatives
> around for basically any of their products, and they are all for f
On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Eli Billauer wrote:
> As far as I've seen, it tells the user to check the policy for refund.
> It can very well be to cancel the whole deal, for a refund of the whole
> sum. And the software can also be considered a present. I mean, suppose
> that you go to the supe
> As far as I've seen, it tells the user to check the policy for refund. It
> can very well be to cancel the whole deal, for a refund of the whole sum.
> And the software can also be considered a present. I mean, suppose that you
> go to the supermarket, and you get an extra piece of something beca
Orr Dunkelman wrote:.
> The only reason Microsoft cannot have the benefit of "Buy us or
> else..." is the fact that they control too large portion of the
> market. The moment they will go under 70%, they would be able to
> actually say the above (70% may be country dependent).
>
I have to say t
Hi Dan,
There is no law (in Israel) that forbids bundling laptops with Windows.
Since almost all laptops come with Windows preinstall, it is pointless
to search for white box laptop, as those are usually low-end laptops.
You should buy the laptop you want with whatever OS it comes with, and
af
On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Eli Billauer wrote:
> As far as I've seen, it tells the user to check the policy for refund.
> It can very well be to cancel the whole deal, for a refund of the whole
> sum. And the software can also be considered a present. I mean, suppose
> that you go to the sup
Dotan Cohen wrote:
> The hole here is that he is not expected to read the Windows EULA
> until it is explicitly presented to him at first boot. He could _then_
> decide to reject the license and contact Dell. It also says,
> explicitly in the license, that the end user has the right to deny the
>
> If they're not doing so voluntarily, yes. A computer vendor, like any
> vendor, has a group of people which should have a synchronized view of
> what they are selling and supporting. The more complicated the picture
> gets, the more flavors the products have, the more resources they need
> to mai
Hi,
>Somehow I had a feeling I was going to write another > message in this subject
Strange, but me too!!
>The laptop and the OS are bundled as a package deal, and you know it
>when you buy the laptop.
This is exactly the point: No always. As said here, why should a customer,
who knows that he w
Hello,
Somehow I had a feeling I was going to write another message in this
subject.
Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
> You mean: asking them to do what Dell already does today in Israel
> (preload with FreeDOS) is too much?
>
>
If they're not doing so voluntarily, yes. A computer vendor, like any
ve
A year ago I have purchased a Dell laptop with "free dos" from Noa
Computers (www.noacomp.co.il) in Nesher and we've installed Linux on it by
ourselves. As far as I know, Dell offers this for some of its models.
On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> > What do you suggest me ?
>
> What do you suggest me ?
>
Buy the laptop with Vista, then get a Windows refund. Make sure that
you take pictures of the first boot and take pictures of you declining
the MS licence. That's what I did (in January 2007) but I never
applied for the refund.
--
Dotan Cohen
http://what-is-what.com
On Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 11:33:16AM +0200, Eli Billauer wrote:
> Dan Shimshoni wrote:
>
> > The struggle must go on!
> >
> >
> Sincerely, I don't know what for. The situation is not going to change
> because a very small group of people starts to bother computer stores
> with an unusual reques
Eli, why pay for an OS when you don't use it. Everyone has the right to
choose whatever OS he wants, be it windows XP, linux, windows server 2003 or
even for the sake of the argument buy a new laptop to use it for parts.
I will elaborate further, even the seller can earn more from this. Lets say
h
Eli,
>My bet is that Linux will become mainstream because non-computer
>oriented companies with more than 10 computers will discover the
>advantage of maintaining the computers with Linux on them. And once
>ordinary people start to get used to it, the barrier is away.
> This is slowly happening,
Dan Shimshoni wrote:
> The struggle must go on!
>
>
Sincerely, I don't know what for. The situation is not going to change
because a very small group of people starts to bother computer stores
with an unusual request. Asking to check the laptop for Linux
compatibility with a Live CD makes se
On Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 09:52:47AM +0200, Dan Shimshoni wrote:
> Hi everybody,
>
> Reminder:
> On 3.12.08, we heard about Zvi Devir and his "Successful Windows Vista
> refund" - see:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/haifux@haifux.org/msg03372.html
>
> And later, there was a lecture in Haifux by Zvi
Hi everybody,
Reminder:
On 3.12.08, we heard about Zvi Devir and his "Successful Windows Vista
refund" - see:
http://www.mail-archive.com/haifux@haifux.org/msg03372.html
And later, there was a lecture in Haifux by Zvi Devir about it:
see: http://www.mail-archive.com/haifux@haifux.org/msg03451.ht
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