Re: [Hampshire] Xorg is hungry today...

2009-10-05 Thread Alan Pope
2009/10/5 Vic l...@beer.org.uk: Unfortunately, I can't use it. The machine is a total dog. Running top shows that Xorg is taking approx 75% of the CPU. Now this is only an old Athlon 1800+ machine, but that amount of grunt when the system is completely idle is a bit much... What video card

Re: [Hampshire] New Linux-based phone

2009-10-05 Thread Andy Random
Hi, Reviving this thread briefly, I'm surprised I've not seen any mention of the Palm Pre during it, it's even due out this month (though exclusive to 02) and generated quite a buzz when launched in the US earlier this year. Also has anybody seen a confirmed release date for the Nokia N900?

Re: [Hampshire] New Linux-based phone

2009-10-05 Thread Philip Stubbs
2009/10/5 Hugo Mills h...@carfax.org.uk: On Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 08:46:35AM -0400, Andy Random wrote: Reviving this thread briefly, I'm surprised I've not seen any mention of the Palm Pre during it, it's even due out this month (though exclusive to 02) and generated quite a buzz when launched

Re: [Hampshire] New Linux-based phone

2009-10-05 Thread Hugo Mills
On Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 02:05:55PM +0100, Philip Stubbs wrote: 2009/10/5 Hugo Mills h...@carfax.org.uk: On Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 08:46:35AM -0400, Andy Random wrote: Reviving this thread briefly, I'm surprised I've not seen any mention of the Palm Pre during it, it's even due out this month

Re: [Hampshire] Xorg is hungry today...

2009-10-05 Thread Stephen Davies
.deb Hell ??? wtf? We all know that it is only rpm's that give you hell! (Now where's the 'only pulling your leg emocion?') I for one have not had an 'rpm dependency hell' for well over three years. Stephen D -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface:

Re: [Hampshire] New Linux-based phone

2009-10-05 Thread trotter
At 14:15 05/10/2009, you wrote: On Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 02:05:55PM +0100, Philip Stubbs wrote: 2009/10/5 Hugo Mills h...@carfax.org.uk: On Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 08:46:35AM -0400, Andy Random wrote: Reviving this thread briefly, I'm surprised I've not seen any mention of the Palm Pre

Re: [Hampshire] New Linux-based phone

2009-10-05 Thread Bob Dunlop
On Mon, Oct 05 at 02:05, Philip Stubbs wrote: ... ? Not official, but Amazon seem to think October 19th. Or even the 26th. I'd got 21st in my head but can't remember where I got that from. The Nokia shop in Newbury (mobilephonesdirect) said late October. Play.com are sticking with the

Re: [Hampshire] New Linux-based phone

2009-10-05 Thread Andy Random
On Mon, 5 Oct 2009, Hugo Mills wrote: Not official, but Amazon seem to think October 19th. Or even the 26th. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nokia-N900-Mobile-Computer-Software/dp/B002QEBX5E/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8s=electronicsqid=1254747786sr=8-1 So it's slipped a week since I last saw it. :)

Re: [Hampshire] Xorg is hungry today...

2009-10-05 Thread Philip Stubbs
2009/10/5 Stephen Davies stephen.dav...@ultraconsulting.co.uk: .deb Hell ??? wtf? We all know that it is only rpm's that give you hell! (Now where's the 'only pulling your leg emocion?') I for one have not had an 'rpm dependency hell' for well over three years. Nor have I. Then it was

Re: [Hampshire] Xorg is hungry today...

2009-10-05 Thread john lewis
On Mon, 5 Oct 2009 16:11:09 +0100 Philip Stubbs phi...@stuphi.co.uk wrote: 2009/10/5 Stephen Davies stephen.dav...@ultraconsulting.co.uk: .deb Hell ??? wtf? We all know that it is only rpm's that give you hell! (Now where's the 'only pulling your leg emocion?') I for one have not

Re: [Hampshire] Xorg is hungry today...

2009-10-05 Thread Hugo Mills
On Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 04:30:22PM +0100, John Lewis wrote: On Mon, 5 Oct 2009 16:11:09 +0100 Philip Stubbs phi...@stuphi.co.uk wrote: 2009/10/5 Stephen Davies stephen.dav...@ultraconsulting.co.uk: .deb Hell ??? wtf? We all know that it is only rpm's that give you hell! (Now

[Hampshire] Dependency hell (Was: Re: Xorg is hungry today...)

2009-10-05 Thread Stephen Rowles
On 10/05/2009 04:30 PM, john lewis wrote: On Mon, 5 Oct 2009 16:11:09 +0100 Philip Stubbsphi...@stuphi.co.uk wrote: 2009/10/5 Stephen Daviesstephen.dav...@ultraconsulting.co.uk: .deb Hell ??? wtf? We all know that it is only rpm's that give you hell! (Now where's the 'only

Re: [Hampshire] Dependency hell (Was: Re: Xorg is hungry today...)

2009-10-05 Thread Hugo Mills
On Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 04:52:00PM +0100, Stephen Rowles wrote: On 10/05/2009 04:30 PM, john lewis wrote: On Mon, 5 Oct 2009 16:11:09 +0100 Philip Stubbsphi...@stuphi.co.uk wrote: Nor have I. Then it was about three years ago that I started using Debian :-) nor have I, but then

Re: [Hampshire] OS equivalent of Cubase

2009-10-05 Thread Mike Dwerryhouse
Roger Munford wrote: My son, who is quite a good musician, is working with cubase at school. I can find equivalents easily enough but cannot judge not being in any way musical myself. Has anybody personal recommendations? Thanks Roger I haven't used Cubase, but I understand it's

Re: [Hampshire] Dependency hell (Was: Re: Xorg is hungry today...)

2009-10-05 Thread john lewis
On Mon, 5 Oct 2009 17:01:10 +0100 Hugo Mills h...@carfax.org.uk wrote: No reason at all. You're just hearing complaints from people who gave up on it many years ago, and never used the more recent tooling. For the record, I'm a Debian user through and through, but *I'm* fed up of

Re: [Hampshire] OS equivalent of Cubase

2009-10-05 Thread Chris Aitken
Roger Munford wrote: My son, who is quite a good musician, is working with cubase at school. I can find equivalents easily enough but cannot judge not being in any way musical myself. Has anybody personal recommendations? Thanks Roger I haven't used Cubase, but I understand

Re: [Hampshire] Dependency hell (Was: Re: Xorg is hungry today...)

2009-10-05 Thread Samuel Penn
On Monday 05 October 2009 18:21:56 john lewis wrote: However I would like to say that one of the reasons I use Debian is that I haven't needed to reinstall* it since I put that first system on a PC ten years or so ago. I have just moved seamlessly from one year to the next with daily apt-get

Re: [Hampshire] Dependency hell (Was: Re: Xorg is hungry today...)

2009-10-05 Thread Keith Edmunds
On Mon, 5 Oct 2009 17:01:10 +0100, h...@carfax.org.uk said: But one thing I don't understand is the differences between the actual package format that causes the dependency hell. Nothing. It's all down to the tooling. I think there's slightly more to it than that. Although both

Re: [Hampshire] Dependency hell (Was: Re: Xorg is hungry today...)

2009-10-05 Thread John Cooper
On 05/10/09 18:21, john lewis wrote: On Mon, 5 Oct 2009 17:01:10 +0100 Hugo Mills h...@carfax.org.uk wrote: No reason at all. You're just hearing complaints from people who gave up on it many years ago, and never used the more recent tooling. For the record, I'm a Debian user

Re: [Hampshire] Dependency hell (Was: Re: Xorg is hungry today...)

2009-10-05 Thread Keith Edmunds
On Mon, 05 Oct 2009 20:34:44 +0100, l...@discoverlinux.co.uk said: Red Hat are the market leaders in commercial Linux and anyone suggesting their upgrade or package management is second class doesn't know what their talking about. s/their/they're/ The Red Hat v5.3 release notes state,

[Hampshire] xorg defaults on MPC-L

2009-10-05 Thread Simon Reap
I am running my lovely new Viglen MPC-L (yes, the UKUbuntu podcast offer is still available!) as a headless home server. I do have a couple of things I need to work on. One is that if I boot without a screen attached, the graphical display defaults to 640x480 and, I think, 16 colours (certainly

Re: [Hampshire] Dependency hell (Was: Re: Xorg is hungry today...)

2009-10-05 Thread Hugo Mills
On Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 08:34:44PM +0100, John Cooper wrote: Most Linux distros these days are fine for package management. Sometimes it is better/safer to re-install and the recent versions of Fedora you were basically forced too due to adopting latest software releases. However, Red Hat are

Re: [Hampshire] Dependency hell (Was: Re: Xorg is hungry today...)

2009-10-05 Thread john lewis
On Mon, 5 Oct 2009 19:56:15 +0100 Samuel Penn s...@glendale.org.uk wrote: On Monday 05 October 2009 18:21:56 john lewis wrote: However I would like to say that one of the reasons I use Debian is that I haven't needed to reinstall* it since I put that first system on a PC ten years or so

Re: [Hampshire] Dependency hell (Was: Re: Xorg is hungry today...)

2009-10-05 Thread John Cooper
On 05/10/09 22:48, Hugo Mills wrote: On Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 08:34:44PM +0100, John Cooper wrote: Most Linux distros these days are fine for package management. Sometimes it is better/safer to re-install and the recent versions of Fedora you were basically forced too due to adopting latest

Re: [Hampshire] Xorg is hungry today...

2009-10-05 Thread Vic
Being the eternal optimist, I'm sure there will come a day when John will stop trolling with this one. But it is not this day. nor have I, but then I stopped using rpm based systems when I dumped RedHat 5.1 and moved to a distro with 'proper' dependency control based on dpkg/apt and more

Re: [Hampshire] Dependency hell (Was: Re: Xorg is hungry today...)

2009-10-05 Thread Vic
I was wondering if someone could explain why .deb packages don't have dependency hell but rpm's do. rpms don't. There is essentially no difference between the control afforded by rpms and debs. Sadly, some people insist on the erroneous and disingenuous (to the point of being malicious)

Re: [Hampshire] Dependency hell (Was: Re: Xorg is hungry today...)

2009-10-05 Thread Vic
The Red Hat v5.3 release notes state, In-place upgrades across major releases do not preserve all system settings, services or custom configurations. Consequently, Red Hat strongly recommends fresh installations when upgrading from one major version to another. It would be a mistake to

Re: [Hampshire] Dependency hell (Was: Re: Xorg is hungry today...)

2009-10-05 Thread Vic
My admittedly limited experience of the default Red Hat package management (with up2date) is that it's (still) poor. Well, my experience is quite the opposite; I think rpm package management is superb. But then I avoid up2date like the diseased donkey it has always been. It has finally been

Re: [Hampshire] Xorg is hungry today...

2009-10-05 Thread Vic
Unfortunately, I can't use it. The machine is a total dog. Running top shows that Xorg is taking approx 75% of the CPU. Now this is only an old Athlon 1800+ machine, but that amount of grunt when the system is completely idle is a bit much... What video card does it have It's an ATi

Re: [Hampshire] xorg defaults on MPC-L

2009-10-05 Thread Philip Stubbs
2009/10/5 Simon Reap si...@simonreap.com: I am running my lovely new Viglen MPC-L (yes, the UKUbuntu podcast offer is still available!) as a headless home server. I do have a couple of things I need to work on. One is that if I boot without a screen attached, the graphical display defaults