> To be best in class you have to do better than to be (in it's
> own words) "Basically it's a perky imitation of Apple's OSX
> look". That's just catch up, not moving forward.
I didn't say it was better; I just responded to your post :-
"I've never seen a Linux desktop to compare with OSX in an
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 01:26:50PM +0100, Stephen Pelc wrote:
> This discussion about bashing Microsoft misses the point as I
> see it. What movement there is away from Windows appears to be
> towards Apple and OSX. From a user's point of view OSX is both
> easy to use and beautiful.
Speakin
John said:
> If you lock down Linux to a limited amount of packages and charge ?1000
> to ?2000 a box you will very quickly match OSX for looks and usability.
> But Linux isn't locked down, you are free to choose what the GUI looks
> like and what distro/packages you install. The EEE PC has shown
Vic said:
> > I've never seen a Linux
> > desktop to compare with OSX in any of its forms.
>
> Then you haven't seen baghira.
>
> http://baghira.sourceforge.net/screenies.php
To be best in class you have to do better than to be (in it's
own words) "Basically it's a perky imitation of Apple's O
>> On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 13:26:50 +0100
>> "Stephen Pelc" wrote:
>> I've never seen a Linux
>> desktop to compare with OSX in any of its forms.
>
> Then you haven't seen baghira.
>
> http://baghira.sourceforge.net/screenies.php
>
> Vic.
>
>
If you lock down Linux to a limited amount of packages
> I've never seen a Linux
> desktop to compare with OSX in any of its forms.
Then you haven't seen baghira.
http://baghira.sourceforge.net/screenies.php
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On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 13:26:50 +0100
"Stephen Pelc" wrote:
> IMHO, it's far more productive to look at best-in-class examples
> than to knock the worst examples. I've never seen a Linux
> desktop to compare with OSX in any of its forms.
beauty is in the eye of the beholder
I just googled for so
2009/8/10 Stephen Davies :
> As far a Linux goes, these days the only issues I see with Hardware
> Compatability is Wireless.
+1
I haven't played with many hardwares but personally I faced almost
hell thanks to Ralink which produces rt2860 wireless which
unfortunately ended up in my EEE 901 .
john wrote:
> Hi All
>
> I could not resist the itch to say something.
>
> More than once the use of Microsoft software has save my bacon.
>
> I have the greatest respect for the windows system provided it has
> no contact with the Internet. I have seen well
[...]
As you may be aware, one rea
Quote from john Eayrs
I can load a new bit of hardware and drivers on windows with no problem. A
piece of hard ware for linux well thats a search on the Internet to find out
if its is compatible and how to get it to install.
End quote
Well, on the other hand, I don't have to mess about for ho
John said
> More than once the use of Microsoft software has save my bacon.
This discussion about bashing Microsoft misses the point as I
see it. What movement there is away from Windows appears to be
towards Apple and OSX. From a user's point of view OSX is both
easy to use and beautiful.
En
>> I can load a new bit of hardware and drivers on windows with no problem.
> Yep, So can I.
Example1
My graphics tablet required two windows reboots to install the drivers!
On three different linux live distros and my Mandy desktop I simply plugged
it in and it worked in parrallel with the mouse.
> I have the greatest respect for the windows system provided it has no
> contact
> with the Internet. I have seen well created windows systems boot in 20
> seconds flat which is faster than any linux system I have seen.
Pick your hardware. I can build a Linux system on it that will boot faster
Hi All
I could not resist the itch to say something.
More than once the use of Microsoft software has save my bacon.
I have the greatest respect for the windows system provided it has no contact
with the Internet. I have seen well created windows systems boot in 20
seconds flat which is faste
Hi Alan,
On Sat, Aug 08, 2009 at 09:21:36AM +0100, alan c wrote:
> Andy Smith wrote:
> >
> > Linus Torvalds recently had something to say about Microsoft
> > bashing:
> >
> > http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7439/1.html
> > "I may make jokes about Microsoft at times, but at the same
> >
Andy Smith wrote:
>
> Linus Torvalds recently had something to say about Microsoft
> bashing:
>
> http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7439/1.html
> "I may make jokes about Microsoft at times, but at the same
> time, I think the Microsoft hatred is a disease. I believe
> in ope
Hello Pavithran,
On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 08:31:57PM +0100, pavithran wrote:
> 2009/8/7 Andy Smith :
>
> > The free software movement has a very vocal minority of people like
> > yourself who are happy to say things like the first paragraph and
> > then argue endlessly about it like the second one
2009/8/7 Andy Smith :
> The free software movement has a very vocal minority of people like
> yourself who are happy to say things like the first paragraph and
> then argue endlessly about it like the second one.
So you still say that I belong to the free software movement .
No I don't I am just
Hello Pavithran,
On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 01:59:03PM +0100, pavithran wrote:
> 2009/8/7 Andy Smith :
> > On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 06:24:07PM +0100, pavithran wrote:
> >> And as Linux users we ( if we have enough free software spirit
> >> ) need not give it its due by calling it respectfully with its
2009/8/7 Andy Smith :
> Hi Pavithran,
>
> On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 06:24:07PM +0100, pavithran wrote:
>> Professional or not I believe this is *linux* users group . And M$ (
>> not Microsoft) has an awesome reputation of patent allegations against
>> the Free software movement . And as Linux users w
Hi Pavithran,
On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 06:24:07PM +0100, pavithran wrote:
> Professional or not I believe this is *linux* users group . And M$ (
> not Microsoft) has an awesome reputation of patent allegations against
> the Free software movement . And as Linux users we ( if we have enough
> free s
On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 01:56:52 +0100, cgden...@btinternet.com said:
> (I'm self-employed, and I do worry about providing best value for my
> customers. That's why I'm barely making a living despite having plenty
> of work.)
The two need not be mutually exclusive!
Keith
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2009/8/6 Andy Random :
>
> On Wed, 5 Aug 2009, Keith Edmunds wrote:
> Personally I have no problem with it.
Same here . I actually use M$ instead of MS just replaying "S" with $
company because it is *a* rich company :D
> If someone used it all the time in any context that might be slightly
> anno
On Wed, 5 Aug 2009, Keith Edmunds wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Aug 2009 12:35:31 +, a...@strugglers.net said:
>
>> PS is anyone else really put off by the use of "M$", "Micro$oft",
>>"Microshaft" etc. in emails?
>
> Very much so. It's unprofessional (and to quote my teacher of years ago,
> it isn't
2009/8/6 pavithran :
> Ubuntu and its upstream commitments are a bit confusing for me .
>
Can you be more specific?
> Also have a look at
> http://charismacode.blogspot.com/2007/01/powers-and-repositories-ubuntu-and.html
>
Too long, didn't read.
Cheers,
Al.
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2009/8/6 alan c :
> Except when I am in the shower, :-) I nearly *always* wear a hat or
> tee shirt advertising my own favourite 'brand' (ubuntu).
> Marketing is partly about establishing a brand, and for better or
> worse, Ubuntu is doing this best.
Ubuntu and its upstream commitments are a b
Chris Dennis wrote:
[...]
> Free software is a secret from most people -- they only hear about the
> stuff that's advertised on the telly.
Well said!
The 'retail therapy' is consumed relentlessly and most people are
completely hooked into it. We are deeply immersed in a retail
environment. It is
customer experience has to be improved in
order for it to gain a better reputation and market share.
My thoughts
> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 20:59:32 +0100
> From: phi...@stuphi.co.uk
> To: hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [Hampshire] pcworld southampton & linux
>
> 2
Luke Stutters wrote:
> The success of any business depends completely on providing the
> best value for its customers. Any business can be aided by monopolistic
> and illegal practices but no business will succeed if it is seen as offering
> poor value.
Sadly that's not true. The success of a bus
Philip Stubbs wrote:
> Also, they have now contributed code. That's more than I have done! :-)
They have been shown they are legally required to do something they failed
to do and have decided to make a big fuss and make it sound like they made
the decision instead of being forced into it!
IMHO a
2009/8/5 Keith Edmunds :
> On Wed, 5 Aug 2009 12:35:31 +, a...@strugglers.net said:
>
>> PS is anyone else really put off by the use of "M$", "Micro$oft",
>> "Microshaft" etc. in emails?
>
> Very much so. It's unprofessional (and to quote my teacher of years ago,
> it isn't big and and it is
On Wed, 5 Aug 2009 12:35:31 +, a...@strugglers.net said:
> PS is anyone else really put off by the use of "M$", "Micro$oft",
>"Microshaft" etc. in emails?
Very much so. It's unprofessional (and to quote my teacher of years ago,
it isn't big and and it isn't clever). I'd like to think that
>I doubt any "enterprise" of any size would even consider going to
> PC World. It's very much a consumer-level place, selling to people who
> don't know the technology, and probably don't want to know about it.
I had to go to PCWorld a few weeks back - I was on customer site, and we
had a fau
2009/8/5 Hugo Mills :
> I doubt any "enterprise" of any size would even consider going to
> PC World. It's very much a consumer-level place, selling to people who
> don't know the technology, and probably don't want to know about it.
Ha. My boss has a PC-World Business account. Admitted, he prob
Hugo Mills wrote:
>If all you want to do is handle the goods, try going to John Lewis.
> They may not have as large a selection as PC World (the one here has
> about 8 feet of shelf space assigned to netbooks, not 20), but they'll
> definitely have them.
Staples also do a good display of PC's
2009/8/5 Edward Beckmann
> Hi
Hi
[SNIP]
> 1. online stores do not have the costs of employing assistants, keeping
> lights on, having displays, renting shops or car parks. Obviously they
> will be more expensive than online unless they are going to go bust.
> Shops are for people who are willin
On Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 02:04:02PM +0100, pavithran wrote:
> 2009/8/5 Edward Beckmann :
> > What's my conclusion? I am certainly no fan but acknowledge that MS is not
> > totally stupid to have managed people's knowledge (or lack of it) so
> > effectively to date. They have managed to be seen as t
On Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 02:11:29PM +0100, pavithran wrote:
> 2009/8/5 Philip Stubbs :
> > 2009/8/5 pavithran :
> >> Disclaimer: PC world might have been doing this for long time . This
> >> is the first time I ever set foot in a big computer shop . I know that
> >> I can buy cheap netbooks online b
2009/8/5 Philip Stubbs :
> 2009/8/5 pavithran :
>> Disclaimer: PC world might have been doing this for long time . This
>> is the first time I ever set foot in a big computer shop . I know that
>> I can buy cheap netbooks online but I would like to touch and feel it
>> on a shop before buying .
>
>
2009/8/5 Edward Beckmann :
> What's my conclusion? I am certainly no fan but acknowledge that MS is not
> totally stupid to have managed people's knowledge (or lack of it) so
> effectively to date. They have managed to be seen as the only real option
> for a lot of people's lifetimes!
The whole po
2009/8/5 Andy Smith :
> PS is anyone else really put off by the use of "M$", "Micro$oft",
> "Microshaft" etc. in emails?
>
Incredibly. We try to discourage it in the Ubuntu community, but some
people persist.
Cheers,
Al.
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Hi Stephen,
On Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 12:15:39PM +0100, Stephen Davies wrote:
> I vowed never to enter one ever again after the insisted that I
> provide a valid name & address for a cash purchase.
William Gates
1 Microsoft Way
Redmond, WA
United States
is a valid name and address.
Cheers,
Andy
Pavithran,
Welcome to the joys of shopping at a branch of PC-World or other DSG
Intnl group store (Dixons, Currys)
your experience is not that uncommon.
Even when they had some eeeBook 701's with Linux on them, the
employees(from my experience) promoted the Windows alternatives. The
quote about
Hi
There are a couple of issues here and I'm not going to particularly add to
the MS debate.
1. online buying v shop buying
2. good advice v poor advice
3. targeting your customer
1. online stores do not have the costs of employing assistants, keeping
lights on, having displays, renting shops or
2009/8/5 pavithran :
> Disclaimer: PC world might have been doing this for long time . This
> is the first time I ever set foot in a big computer shop . I know that
> I can buy cheap netbooks online but I would like to touch and feel it
> on a shop before buying .
Do what we all do. Go to PC World
hi all,
I went to the PC world located opposite the southampton central
railway station today to buy a pen drive .
This is my first time inside such a big computer shop hence was
surprised to see separate section for anti virus software,office and
other softwares like graphics education .
I wante
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