[H] Google OS

2009-07-08 Thread Thane Sherrington
So can Google compete with MS? http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/introducing-google-chrome-os.html T

Re: [H] Google OS

2009-07-08 Thread Naushad, Zulfiqar
It's slated for release in 2K10, and initially it might not be as good as linux or windows or even OS X, however, the dynamics for the market are changing, the world is becoming more web centric and with HTML5 you can expect the lines blurred between a software OS and the web as an OS. So I think

Re: [H] Google OS

2009-07-08 Thread Thane Sherrington
At 09:28 AM 08/07/2009, Naushad, Zulfiqar wrote: It's slated for release in 2K10, and initially it might not be as good as linux or windows or even OS X, however, the dynamics for the market are changing, the world is becoming more web centric and with HTML5 you can expect the lines blurred betwe

Re: [H] [Bulk] Re: Google OS

2009-07-08 Thread Stan Zaske
Cloud computing is bogus. The day when everyone's apps and data are on machines that aren't local is the day the Internet becomes third world. My broadband connection failed again yesterday for a couple hours during the Michael Jackson memorial blitz. How can so many in the industry be pushing

Re: [H] [Bulk] Re: Google OS

2009-07-08 Thread Rick Glazier
It's not like they set that precedent with WinME (as in going forward from WinME)... Rick Glazier From: "Stan Zaske" However, competing against Microsoft is a good idea as it may bring down their ridiculous prices. Anybody pee od'd that Vista owners don't get a free upgrade to 7?

Re: [H] [Bulk] Re: Google OS

2009-07-08 Thread Thane Sherrington
At 09:55 AM 08/07/2009, Stan Zaske wrote: Cloud computing is bogus. The day when everyone's apps and data are on machines that aren't local is the day the Internet becomes third world. My broadband connection failed again yesterday for a couple hours during the Michael Jackson memorial blitz. H

Re: [H] [Bulk] Re: Google OS

2009-07-08 Thread Naushad, Zulfiqar
Some interesting commentary regarding the gOS. Linux community concern over Chrome OS http://www.techradar.com/news/computing/linux-community-concerned-over-c hrome-os-614432 10 things to know about Google Chrome OS http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/10-things-we-kn ow-abou

Re: [H] [Bulk] Re: Google OS

2009-07-08 Thread Brian Weeden
A pretty good article from Arstechnica: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2009/07/googles-chrome-os-coming-to-netbooks-in-late-2010.ars --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683

Re: [H] [Bulk] Re: Google OS

2009-07-08 Thread Mesdaq, Ali
Gotta disagree with both you guys on that one. Cloud computing definitely has major advantages over local for various things. Not all things but for example storage. I rather have a google doc hosted by google that will never get lost to a harddrive crash than a locally stored doc. I can also se

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2009-07-08 Thread Brian Weeden
I'm also a huge fan of cloud (done properly). I live in my gmail, gdocs, and remember the milk accounts and rely on Live Mesh for syncing between my home PC and laptop when traveling. The key that makes all the google stuff work for me is Google Gears. It does a pretty fantastic job of syncing a

Re: [H] [Bulk] Re: Google OS

2009-07-08 Thread Bryan Seitz
I prefer to host my own stuff that way nobody is farming it for information, demographics, etc... I have things called backups and raid! On Wed, Jul 08, 2009 at 12:54:53PM -0400, Brian Weeden wrote: > I'm also a huge fan of cloud (done properly). I live in my gmail, gdocs, > and remember the mil

Re: [H] [Bulk] Re: Google OS

2009-07-08 Thread Brian Weeden
I do all that as well - but a backup solution that doesn't have some form of offsite backup is not really a good solution. Besides, when you are traveling and swapping between machines how do you keep everything synced together and have the ability to do work when there is no net connection?

Re: [H] [Bulk] Re: Google OS

2009-07-08 Thread Thane Sherrington
At 01:51 PM 08/07/2009, Mesdaq, Ali wrote: Gotta disagree with both you guys on that one. Cloud computing definitely has major advantages over local for various things. Not all things but for example storage. I rather have a google doc hosted by google that will never get lost to a harddrive cr

Re: [H] [Bulk] Re: Google OS

2009-07-08 Thread Thane Sherrington
At 01:58 PM 08/07/2009, Bryan Seitz wrote: I prefer to host my own stuff that way nobody is farming it for information, demographics, etc... I have things called backups and raid! I can see huge issues with security in the cloud unless you are 100% sure you can encrypt with no back door. T

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2009-07-08 Thread Mesdaq, Ali
It's actually even better for business than it is for home users. Salesforece.com perfect example of that. Have your whole CRM there for secure access anywhere, your data is safe, reports are better, advantages go on. Same with things like hosted Email Security which the company I work for does

Re: [H] [Bulk] Re: Google OS

2009-07-08 Thread Mesdaq, Ali
If you have super sensitive data it's probably a lot harder to get to it in the cloud than it is from your pc. I trust a team of people with lots of money and resources protecting my data more than I trust myself. Thanks, -- Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM) S

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2009-07-08 Thread Mesdaq, Ali
If you pay for a solution you wouldn’t have your information farmed but if you use a free service than yeah its gonna happen. But if you think about it from a business perspective we get a good deal. Give me 7.3 gigs of email space with gmail for free and if they want to analyze that and serve m

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2009-07-08 Thread Brian Weeden
I use Jungle Disk as a client for Amazon S3 for my offsite backup. And yes, its' secure - all the data is encrypted client side before being transmitted. As far as Amazon is concerned, they are storing 15 GB of random noise for me. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secur

Re: [H] [Bulk] Re: Google OS

2009-07-08 Thread Thane Sherrington
At 02:01 PM 08/07/2009, Brian Weeden wrote: I do all that as well - but a backup solution that doesn't have some form of offsite backup is not really a good solution. Besides, when you are traveling and swapping between machines how do you keep everything synced together and have the ability to

Re: [H] [Bulk] Re: Google OS

2009-07-08 Thread Thane Sherrington
At 02:35 PM 08/07/2009, Mesdaq, Ali wrote: It's actually even better for business than it is for home users. Salesforece.com perfect example of that. Have your whole CRM there for secure access anywhere, your data is safe, reports are better, advantages go on. Same with things like hosted Email

Re: [H] [Bulk] Re: Google OS

2009-07-08 Thread Thane Sherrington
At 02:38 PM 08/07/2009, Brian Weeden wrote: I use Jungle Disk as a client for Amazon S3 for my offsite backup. And yes, its' secure - all the data is encrypted client side before being transmitted. As far as Amazon is concerned, they are storing 15 GB of random noise for me. Now that I would

Re: [H] Google OS

2009-07-08 Thread Winterlight
Actually, Cloud computing features, and security might be great, but in the final analysis, the reason business will or will not move toward cloud computing is cost. If the numbers add up they will do it, and if they don't they won't. This is particularly true in the current economy. Nobody han

Re: [H] [Bulk] Re: Google OS

2009-07-08 Thread Mesdaq, Ali
I really like the technology and approach of onlive. Render everything server side and stream to client. Even their micro console is awesome and a perfect example of cloud implementation. Use the cloud for what its good for and leave the stuff on the client that needs to be there. But I definite