Re: [H] ATI CATALYST 10.2 & 10.3 Driver Preview - Final Thoughts and conclusions

2010-03-05 Thread Scott Sipe
My only experience with Sapphire is with a x1900XT. I had one card that had a terrible high-pitched "whine" (not fan noise). I RMAed it after several months only to find the replacement had the whine too, so I just ignored it. Then that card died about a year later. Switched to an 8800GT and hav

Re: [H] ATI CATALYST 10.2 & 10.3 Driver Preview - Final Thoughts and conclusions

2010-03-04 Thread maccrawj
'k, it's just trivia anyway! ;) On 3/4/2010 12:54 PM, Stan Zaske wrote: Well, I was depending on memory and as my memory serves Riva128 was the first with integrated 3D graphics. That was many years ago and if I am mistaken forgive me. I haven't Google'd it. On 3/4/2010 2:18 PM, maccrawj wrote

Re: [H] ATI CATALYST 10.2 & 10.3 Driver Preview - Final Thoughts and conclusions

2010-03-04 Thread Stan Zaske
Well, I was depending on memory and as my memory serves Riva128 was the first with integrated 3D graphics. That was many years ago and if I am mistaken forgive me. I haven't Google'd it. On 3/4/2010 2:18 PM, maccrawj wrote: Ah, ok! Rendition Vertite, Nvidia TNT, ATI Rage 128, 3dfx Voodoo3 in

Re: [H] ATI CATALYST 10.2 & 10.3 Driver Preview - Final Thoughts and conclusions

2010-03-04 Thread maccrawj
Ah, ok! Rendition Vertite, Nvidia TNT, ATI Rage 128, 3dfx Voodoo3 in rapid succession over the 2 years 1997-1998 is the time line for 2D+3D integrated cards I believe? Amazing how far things have come! On 3/2/2010 9:46 AM, Stan Zaske wrote: I was referring to Nvidia being first to engineer int

Re: [H] ATI CATALYST 10.2 & 10.3 Driver Preview - Final Thoughts and conclusions

2010-03-04 Thread maccrawj
LOL, well the commenter can go to Sapphire but they have been far from trouble free and less then helpful with ATI problem designs that are not BBA's. You may or may not remeber my rant a few years back about going through a few Sapphire 3870x2's before finally getting a VisionTek version. 3dm

Re: [H] ATI CATALYST 10.2 & 10.3 Driver Preview - Final Thoughts and conclusions

2010-03-02 Thread Anthony Q. Martin
I know for sure that I have the latest mobo biosand I just found this comment on newegg (posted on 2/26/2010): " *Pros:* It's not HERS? *Cons:* Anytime I boot up a game, 15 minutes later it crashes (or if I'm lucky and if all the graphics are on low, it'll just be choppy as h*ll

Re: [H] ATI CATALYST 10.2 & 10.3 Driver Preview - Final Thoughts and conclusions

2010-03-02 Thread Thane Sherrington
At 02:11 PM 3/2/2010, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: Thane, I can't download your reply for some reason...but I can read it on my phone...I have revision 2.0 of the P35-DS4 mobo. Thanks. Well, assuming you have the latest BIOS and chipset drivers, then I think you have a bad card. One thing you

Re: [H] ATI CATALYST 10.2 & 10.3 Driver Preview - Final Thoughts and conclusions

2010-03-02 Thread Winterlight
This sounds like a bad piece of hardware. Time to start swapping stuff out until you find the culprit. w At 08:44 AM 3/2/2010, you wrote: Ok...I used Driver Clearer to clean both the previous nVidia and the ATI drivers from my system. then I went back and installed the ATI 10.2 CCC drivers.

Re: [H] ATI CATALYST 10.2 & 10.3 Driver Preview - Final Thoughts and conclusions

2010-03-02 Thread Anthony Q. Martin
Thane, I can't download your reply for some reason...but I can read it on my phone...I have revision 2.0 of the P35-DS4 mobo. Thanks. On 3/2/2010 12:07 PM, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: Thane, Which chipset do you refer to? I have a HIS Radeon HD5770. I've only had this card for about 2 months

Re: [H] ATI CATALYST 10.2 & 10.3 Driver Preview - Final Thoughts and conclusions

2010-03-02 Thread Anthony Q. Martin
No...card is stock...no OC...the fan is spinning. 650 W PS. Nothing wrong with the system. Fresh install except for these new drivers, which seem to be funking thing up a bit... I guess I'm just going to clean it again and then go back to the 9.x drivers I had before. I could put this card i

Re: [H] ATI CATALYST 10.2 & 10.3 Driver Preview - Final Thoughts and conclusions

2010-03-02 Thread Stan Zaske
Never seen Windows Experience Index crash before. Is your video card OC'd, cooling fan spinning, adequate power from PSU? Doesn't make sense to me or maybe the card is defective. On 3/2/2010 10:44 AM, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: Ok...I used Driver Clearer to clean both the previous nVidia and the

Re: [H] ATI CATALYST 10.2 & 10.3 Driver Preview - Final Thoughts and conclusions

2010-03-02 Thread Stan Zaske
I was referring to Nvidia being first to engineer integrated 3D graphics. 2D graphics are the simple task of a video card by comparison. 3D graphics advancements drive video card development. And rapidly at that.. On 3/2/2010 10:19 AM, maccrawj wrote: ATi was in the graphics game a long before

Re: [H] ATI CATALYST 10.2 & 10.3 Driver Preview - Final Thoughts and conclusions

2010-03-02 Thread Thane Sherrington
At 01:07 PM 3/2/2010, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: Thane, Which chipset do you refer to? I have a HIS Radeon HD5770. I've only had this card for about 2 months and frankly, it's been a bit of a problem from the getgothe mobo is a Gigabyte P35-DS4. I've run WEI plenty of times...even with thi

Re: [H] ATI CATALYST 10.2 & 10.3 Driver Preview - Final Thoughts and conclusions

2010-03-02 Thread Anthony Q. Martin
Thane, Which chipset do you refer to? I have a HIS Radeon HD5770. I've only had this card for about 2 months and frankly, it's been a bit of a problem from the getgothe mobo is a Gigabyte P35-DS4. I've run WEI plenty of times...even with this card, mind you. I think I was using the 9.x

Re: [H] ATI CATALYST 10.2 & 10.3 Driver Preview - Final Thoughts and conclusions

2010-03-02 Thread Thane Sherrington
At 12:19 PM 3/2/2010, maccrawj wrote: Personal rant: there should be a law that when companies stop supporting hardware with drivers that they MUST opensource the last version's source code! =) That would make a lot of sense. T

Re: [H] ATI CATALYST 10.2 & 10.3 Driver Preview - Final Thoughts and conclusions

2010-03-02 Thread Thane Sherrington
At 12:44 PM 3/2/2010, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: Ok...I used Driver Clearer to clean both the previous nVidia and the ATI drivers from my system. then I went back and installed the ATI 10.2 CCC drivers. The good news is I could actually see and open CCC and the ATI folder from the program menu.

Re: [H] ATI CATALYST 10.2 & 10.3 Driver Preview - Final Thoughts and conclusions

2010-03-02 Thread Anthony Q. Martin
Ok...I used Driver Clearer to clean both the previous nVidia and the ATI drivers from my system. then I went back and installed the ATI 10.2 CCC drivers. The good news is I could actually see and open CCC and the ATI folder from the program menu. This is one thing I could not do previously as

Re: [H] ATI CATALYST 10.2 & 10.3 Driver Preview - Final Thoughts and conclusions

2010-03-02 Thread maccrawj
ATi was in the graphics game a long before nVidia going way back to the EGA standard & PC XT/AT systems. Did I miss something about your statement or do you miss that? nVidia's "tactics" with both physx & disabling SLI on x48 SLI over "licensing" alone a reasons enough to never use them. Of cou

Re: [H] ATI CATALYST 10.2 & 10.3 Driver Preview - Final Thoughts and conclusions

2010-03-02 Thread Thane Sherrington
in the system also -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Stan Zaske Sent: 01 March 2010 15:40 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] ATI CATALYST 10.2& 10.3 Driver Preview - Final Tho

Re: [H] ATI CATALYST 10.2 & 10.3 Driver Preview - Final Thoughts and conclusions

2010-03-02 Thread Stan Zaske
re the best".doing them no favours either. Regards Jason -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Stan Zaske Sent: 01 March 2010 21:36 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] ATI CATALYST 10.2&

Re: [H] ATI CATALYST 10.2 & 10.3 Driver Preview - Final Thoughts and conclusions

2010-03-02 Thread Stan Zaske
favours either. Regards Jason -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Stan Zaske Sent: 01 March 2010 21:36 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] ATI CATALYST 10.2& 10.3 Driver Preview - Final Thoughts and co

Re: [H] ATI CATALYST 10.2 & 10.3 Driver Preview - Final Thoughts and conclusions

2010-03-02 Thread Jason.Tozer
ware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Stan Zaske Sent: 01 March 2010 21:36 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] ATI CATALYST 10.2 & 10.3 Driver Preview - Final Thoughts and conclusions You're entitled to your opinion as I am to

Re: [H] ATI CATALYST 10.2 & 10.3 Driver Preview - Final Thoughts and conclusions

2010-03-01 Thread DSinc
---Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Stan Zaske Sent: 26 February 2010 19:52 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] ATI CATALYST 10.2& 10.3 Driver Preview - Final Thoughts and conclusions Read what Bre

Re: [H] ATI CATALYST 10.2 & 10.3 Driver Preview - Final Thoughts and conclusions

2010-03-01 Thread Scott Sipe
so >> >> -Original Message- >> From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com >> [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Stan Zaske >> Sent: 01 March 2010 15:40 >> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com >> Subject: Re: [H] ATI CATALY

Re: [H] ATI CATALYST 10.2 & 10.3 Driver Preview - Final Thoughts and conclusions

2010-03-01 Thread Stan Zaske
boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Stan Zaske Sent: 01 March 2010 15:40 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] ATI CATALYST 10.2& 10.3 Driver Preview - Final Thoughts and conclusions They are the best in the world and only fail when management and bean counters have them dilut

Re: [H] ATI CATALYST 10.2 & 10.3 Driver Preview - Final Thoughts and conclusions

2010-03-01 Thread DSinc
e is an AMD card in the system also -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Stan Zaske Sent: 01 March 2010 15:40 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] ATI CATALYST 10.2& 10.3 Driver Preview - Fi

Re: [H] ATI CATALYST 10.2 & 10.3 Driver Preview - Final Thoughts and conclusions

2010-03-01 Thread Jason.Tozer
Behalf Of Stan Zaske Sent: 01 March 2010 15:40 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] ATI CATALYST 10.2 & 10.3 Driver Preview - Final Thoughts and conclusions They are the best in the world and only fail when management and bean counters have them dilute their efforts with chipsets

Re: [H] ATI CATALYST 10.2 & 10.3 Driver Preview - Final Thoughts and conclusions

2010-03-01 Thread Stan Zaske
half Of Stan Zaske Sent: 26 February 2010 19:52 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] ATI CATALYST 10.2& 10.3 Driver Preview - Final Thoughts and conclusions Read what Brent Justice has to write. He's no past fan of AMD/Ati drivers. http://bit.ly/9D6uJ4 I'm having no prob

Re: [H] ATI CATALYST 10.2 & 10.3 Driver Preview - Final Thoughts and conclusions

2010-03-01 Thread Jason.Tozer
years. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Stan Zaske Sent: 26 February 2010 19:52 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] ATI CATALYST 10.2 & 10.3 Driver Preview - Final Thoughts and conclusions Read w

Re: [H] ATI CATALYST 10.2 & 10.3 Driver Preview - Final Thoughts and conclusions

2010-02-26 Thread Winterlight
This will do it http://www.drivercleaner.net/ w On 02/26/2010 13:56, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: Do you have a way to do that? Used to be I had a way to open the control panel. Now, the only sign of an ATI driver is the ATI Install Manager in Remove Programs. I can also see the drivers in

Re: [H] ATI CATALYST 10.2 & 10.3 Driver Preview - Final Thoughts and conclusions

2010-02-26 Thread DSinc
Anthony, Probably no help, BUT, for the past few years I have seen that normal "remove" option at CP/Add-Remove-Programs/ has changed. Seems proggy writers now move me to run "their" uninstall routine. Like, "we can not/do not wish to let MS rip us out of the party. In all cases, the vendor do

Re: [H] ATI CATALYST 10.2 & 10.3 Driver Preview - Final Thoughts and conclusions

2010-02-26 Thread Stan Zaske
Read what Brent Justice has to write. He's no past fan of AMD/Ati drivers. http://bit.ly/9D6uJ4 I'm having no problems whatsoever with 10.2 or any past drivers. Never had any problems with Nvidia drivers either although they admittedly have the best driver engineers for video cards in the world

Re: [H] ATI CATALYST 10.2 & 10.3 Driver Preview - Final Thoughts and conclusions

2010-02-26 Thread Anthony Q. Martin
Do you have a way to do that? Used to be I had a way to open the control panel. Now, the only sign of an ATI driver is the ATI Install Manager in Remove Programs. I can also see the drivers in device manager when I look at the drivers for the display adapter. This obviously can't be right. T

Re: [H] ATI CATALYST 10.2 & 10.3 Driver Preview - Final Thoughts and conclusions

2010-02-26 Thread maccrawj
Do a full uninstall/cleaning of the anything ATI driver related, then install the oldest driver that will support your card. Assuming that works, backup and upgrade cautiously! Love my ATI 3870x2, would of just as happily done Nvidia had they made a dual gpu card and/or supported SLI on X48's,

Re: [H] ATI CATALYST 10.2 & 10.3 Driver Preview - Final Thoughts and conclusions

2010-02-26 Thread Anthony Q. Martin
Boy... Things have really gone bad over here I went to remove the 10.2 Cat. driverswell, I can't find any menu options in the Programs menulike they were never installed. Go into the Programs in Control panel...all I can find in there was the ATI Install Manager (or whatever it is

Re: [H] ATI CATALYST 10.2 & 10.3 Driver Preview - Final Thoughts and conclusions

2010-02-25 Thread Stan Zaske
Wow, that's too bad Anthony. Bummer! On 2/25/2010 9:38 AM, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: Well, I got home yesterday to find what Win7 had shut down and restarted. It reported that the ATI driver had a problem. So, I get directed to ATIs website where i got the 10.2 drivers. I install them...then ra

Re: [H] ATI CATALYST 10.2 & 10.3 Driver Preview - Final Thoughts and conclusions

2010-02-25 Thread DSinc
Anthony, This may be a very good idea. I have been using a 4650 and a 4350 with bare ATI drivers in XP. I did not allow the install of the Catalyst Control Center. I know. Not W7. And, not as advanced as you, but worth a try. Best, Duncan On 02/25/2010 11:29, Thane Sherrington wrote: At 11:3

Re: [H] ATI CATALYST 10.2 & 10.3 Driver Preview - Final Thoughts and conclusions

2010-02-25 Thread Anthony Q. Martin
Ok...I'd certainly try that. Thanks. On 2/25/2010 11:29 AM, Thane Sherrington wrote: At 11:38 AM 2/25/2010, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: Well, I got home yesterday to find what Win7 had shut down and restarted. It reported that the ATI driver had a problem. So, I get directed to ATIs website where

Re: [H] ATI CATALYST 10.2 & 10.3 Driver Preview - Final Thoughts and conclusions

2010-02-25 Thread Thane Sherrington
At 11:38 AM 2/25/2010, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: Well, I got home yesterday to find what Win7 had shut down and restarted. It reported that the ATI driver had a problem. So, I get directed to ATIs website where i got the 10.2 drivers. I install them...then ran WEI and it crashes the PC. I thin

Re: [H] ATI CATALYST 10.2 & 10.3 Driver Preview - Final Thoughts and conclusions

2010-02-25 Thread Anthony Q. Martin
Well, I got home yesterday to find what Win7 had shut down and restarted. It reported that the ATI driver had a problem. So, I get directed to ATIs website where i got the 10.2 drivers. I install them...then ran WEI and it crashes the PC. I think I regret getting an ATI board. On 2/17/2010 3:

Re: [H] ATI CATALYST 10.2 & 10.3 Driver Preview - Final Thoughts and conclusions

2010-02-17 Thread Stan Zaske
I believe you will have to upgrade to a 5000 series card to see the benefits. Tempting no? On 2/17/2010 12:56 PM, Zulfiqar Naushad wrote: All this is great. But I have a 4890 and what is the perf gain on that card? Regards, Zulfiqar Naushad On Feb 17, 2010, at 9:33 PM, Stan Zaske wrote:

Re: [H] ATI CATALYST 10.2 & 10.3 Driver Preview - Final Thoughts and conclusions

2010-02-17 Thread Stan Zaske
I just finished downloading and installing. Got my fingers crossed but haven't had much time with it because I'm reading reviews on 10.2 and 10.3 on a different box than my game machine. On 2/17/2010 12:54 PM, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: I hope all this comes true so I can feed good about buying

Re: [H] ATI CATALYST 10.2 & 10.3 Driver Preview - Final Thoughts and conclusions

2010-02-17 Thread Zulfiqar Naushad
All this is great. But I have a 4890 and what is the perf gain on that card? Regards, Zulfiqar Naushad On Feb 17, 2010, at 9:33 PM, Stan Zaske wrote: 10.2 is supposed to be out but when I checked it still showed 10.1. Maybe later on today it will show up. Legit Reviews touts it as a "m

Re: [H] ATI CATALYST 10.2 & 10.3 Driver Preview - Final Thoughts and conclusions

2010-02-17 Thread Anthony Q. Martin
I hope all this comes true so I can feed good about buying a 5770. On 2/17/2010 1:33 PM, Stan Zaske wrote: 10.2 is supposed to be out but when I checked it still showed 10.1. Maybe later on today it will show up. Legit Reviews touts it as a "major" update. "By far the Application Profiles fea

[H] ATI CATALYST 10.2 & 10.3 Driver Preview - Final Thoughts and conclusions

2010-02-17 Thread Stan Zaske
10.2 is supposed to be out but when I checked it still showed 10.1. Maybe later on today it will show up. Legit Reviews touts it as a "major" update. "By far the Application Profiles feature is the coolest feature in Catalyst 10.2. I think it will revolutionize the way drivers will be updated