Re: [H] Time for upgrades

2008-05-22 Thread j maccraw
For the cost of the WS Pro I'd be looking into an X48 board instead. My new system runs real nice with a Q6600 on a DDR2 Asus Rampage. Did not see the benefit of paying triple for DDR3 memory. No OCing as of yet but it sure runs Crysis nice!

Re: [H] Time for upgrades

2008-05-22 Thread Winterlight
I dunno. Some of the older servers under my control could be upgraded--but we won't spend the time or money to do it when the more logical solution is replace the entire server. I think if a business is so cash strapped that they can't replace an old, overloaded, likely out-of-warranty box with

Re: [H] Time for upgrades

2008-05-21 Thread James Boswell
I imagine we'll have a more firm date soon, but it's definitely in Q3. It was just today the price (at $530) was confirmed. That would work out well for me is this DDR2 supported CPU? If I bought a high end board now, like the ASUS P5E WS PRO would it support the new CPU, probably not w

Re: [H] Time for upgrades

2008-05-21 Thread Greg Sevart
> That would work out well for me is this DDR2 supported CPU? If I > bought a high end board now, like the ASUS P5E WS PRO > would it support the new CPU, probably not without a BIOS flash, > which can't be done without a modern CPU, which is kind of a catch 22 > if you have old stuff. > T

Re: [H] Time for upgrades

2008-05-21 Thread Winterlight
Yes, the non EE's are clock locked. That does provide some value, but (1) from what I gather, you don't do overclocking I don't because FSB overclocking puts a stress on the entire system for not much real world needed gain. And I keep my systems much longer then you do. However, if I can j

Re: [H] Time for upgrades

2008-05-21 Thread James Boswell
On 21 May 2008, at 17:53, Winterlight wrote: and, I didn't say anything about performance gains? Certainly, that was your implication. Although video encoding is one of the places those extra general purpose registers in AMD64 mode can show themselves, that must be in bizarreo world.

Re: [H] Time for upgrades

2008-05-21 Thread Greg Sevart
> >Although video encoding is one of the places those extra general > >purpose registers in AMD64 mode can show themselves, > > that must be in bizarreo world. Every time I have run encoding tests > with AMD CPUs against Intel they perform slower by factors of three, > and four. > Not AMD vs Int

Re: [H] Time for upgrades

2008-05-21 Thread Winterlight
and, I didn't say anything about performance gains? Certainly, that was your implication. Although video encoding is one of the places those extra general purpose registers in AMD64 mode can show themselves, that must be in bizarreo world. Every time I have run encoding tests with AMD C

Re: [H] Time for upgrades

2008-05-21 Thread James Boswell
On 21 May 2008, at 14:34, Hayes Elkins wrote: On 21 May 2008, at 04:00, Winterlight wrote: At 02:41 PM 5/20/2008, you wrote: Why would you get a 3Ghz quad, 4GB of ram, and x38 mainboard... and then run a 32bit OS? The performance gain for a 64 bit is not as big as you are making it out to

Re: [H] Time for upgrades

2008-05-21 Thread Hayes Elkins
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com > Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 12:23:03 +0100 > Subject: Re: [H] Time for upgrades > > > On 21 May 2008, at 04:00, Winterlight wrote: > >> At 02:41 PM 5/20/2008, you wrote: >>> Why would you get a 3

Re: [H] Time for upgrades

2008-05-21 Thread Greg Sevart
> My OKIDATA color laser has partial support. None of my ATI > TV/Capture cards are supported. MY HP Scanner isn't supported. I > guess my 32 bit software will run OK. I would assume anything on a > new high end board would be supported. I have only briefly thought of > this and no little or noth

Re: [H] Time for upgrades

2008-05-21 Thread James Boswell
On 21 May 2008, at 04:00, Winterlight wrote: At 02:41 PM 5/20/2008, you wrote: Why would you get a 3Ghz quad, 4GB of ram, and x38 mainboard... and then run a 32bit OS? The performance gain for a 64 bit is not as big as you are making it out to be, and there are lots of issues. At least fro

Re: [H] Time for upgrades

2008-05-20 Thread Winterlight
At 02:41 PM 5/20/2008, you wrote: Why would you get a 3Ghz quad, 4GB of ram, and x38 mainboard... and then run a 32bit OS? The performance gain for a 64 bit is not as big as you are making it out to be, and there are lots of issues. At least from what I have read. Take a look at this months e

Re: [H] Time for upgrades

2008-05-20 Thread Winterlight
Curious though, what is it you have that isn't supported? Well, right now, the only CPU I have that will support it is a Semperon64 3400, in a third box that I put together because I was curous about AMD. A CPU I am not fond of, on a Nivida Chipset where I saw my first blue screen in years

Re: [H] Time for upgrades

2008-05-20 Thread James Boswell
Why would you get a 3Ghz quad, 4GB of ram, and x38 mainboard... and then run a 32bit OS? Personally I'd step back to the Asus P5K-E/Wifi-AP for the mainboard (P35 chipset) and a Q9450 (2.66 45nm quad) as the price performance climbs hugely. One thing I am sensing as a little bit strange i

Re: [H] Time for upgrades

2008-05-20 Thread Greg Sevart
> > >You could use Server 2003 Enterprise with PAE, but yeah, mostly for > x64 > >users. There are an ever-growing number of us, though. :) > > I wouldn't mind but it apparently can't support the stuff I need to > use. But maybe I should get a matching 4GB while it is still real > cheap. Agree o

Re: [H] Time for upgrades

2008-05-20 Thread Winterlight
P45 boards mostly come equipped with the newer ICH10R southbridge though... when it comes to motherboards I am more interested in proven stability then I am in performance. I am always leery about trying something new in boards as it rarely works out well. You could use Server 2003 Enter

Re: [H] Time for upgrades

2008-05-20 Thread Greg Sevart
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Winterlight > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 2:32 PM > To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com > Subject: [H] Time for upgrades > > I am planning a new build for my Media bo

[H] Time for upgrades

2008-05-20 Thread Winterlight
I am planning a new build for my Media box this summer when I get some free time, and I could use the wisdom of the collective. I bought 4GB of DDR2 Ram a while ago =CORSAIR 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory because it was so cheap 70 bucks