Re: [arch] VM Interface

2005-06-07 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On Jun 6, 2005, at 10:03 AM, Ahmed Saad wrote: On 6/6/05, Peter Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The reason being that their customers do not want to be exposed to differences between rt.jar and GNU Classpath. oh well aren't both implemented according to a well-designed exported API. So

Re: [arch] VM Interface

2005-06-07 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On Jun 6, 2005, at 9:11 AM, Archie Cobbs wrote: Peter Donald wrote: I assume that if the Harmony JVM gets half as good as is hoped there will be companys who want to adopt the JVM but continue to use Suns class library so that differences in libraries don't hurt their customers. If

Re: [arch] VM Interface

2005-06-07 Thread Ahmed Saad
On 6/7/05, Archie Cobbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: [..] Because it's possible that Sun finds this aspect of Harmony valuable overall, and contributes information to help shape this. I highly doubt that will happen (just my opinion though). Secondly, you can no

Re: [arch] VM Interface

2005-06-07 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On Jun 7, 2005, at 9:49 AM, Archie Cobbs wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: I assume that if the Harmony JVM gets half as good as is hoped there will be companys who want to adopt the JVM but continue to use Suns class library so that differences in libraries don't hurt their

Re: [arch] VM Interface

2005-06-07 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On Jun 7, 2005, at 4:03 PM, Archie Cobbs wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: I assume that if the Harmony JVM gets half as good as is hoped there will be companys who want to adopt the JVM but continue to use Suns class library so that differences in libraries don't hurt their

Re: [arch] VM Interface

2005-06-07 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On Jun 7, 2005, at 4:32 PM, Sven de Marothy wrote: On Tue, 2005-06-07 at 16:14 -0400, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Either one - if here, we can certainly suggest to classpath (and even provide some code... I'm dying to contribute to something under the GPL ;) Geir, I know you were joking,

Re: [arch] VM Interface

2005-06-06 Thread Ahmed Saad
On 6/6/05, Peter Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The reason being that their customers do not want to be exposed to differences between rt.jar and GNU Classpath. oh well aren't both implemented according to a well-designed exported API. So how there would be differences that would hurt the

Re: [arch] VM Interface

2005-06-06 Thread Archie Cobbs
Peter Donald wrote: I assume that if the Harmony JVM gets half as good as is hoped there will be companys who want to adopt the JVM but continue to use Suns class library so that differences in libraries don't hurt their customers. If that is a goal of Harmony then we've just made things a

Re: [arch] VM Interface

2005-06-06 Thread Peter Donald
Hi, Ahmed Saad wrote: oh well aren't both implemented according to a well-designed exported API. So how there would be differences that would hurt the clients of this API (assuming that the GUN Classpath got completed and they are both might be retrofitted to be easily installed in this

[arch] VM Interface

2005-06-05 Thread Peter Donald
Hi, It seems like there is a little bit of heat being generated by this topic due to confusion. While Geir has not actually stated this anywhere I assume that the reason that he is advocating for a VM interface that is independent of GNU Classpath is because he has plans to interoperate with

Re: [arch] VM Interface

2005-06-05 Thread Craig Blake
One potential use is for companies (and individuals) to work around particular performance limitations and bugs in the Sun VM while keeping the libraries they know inside and out. I imagine that could become common if Harmony ends up being as modular as we all hope. I am curious as to how

Re: [arch] VM Interface

2005-06-05 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On Jun 5, 2005, at 9:32 PM, Peter Donald wrote: Hi, It seems like there is a little bit of heat being generated by this topic due to confusion. While Geir has not actually stated this anywhere I assume that the reason that he is advocating for a VM interface that is independent of GNU

Re: [arch] VM Interface

2005-06-05 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On Jun 5, 2005, at 10:06 PM, Craig Blake wrote: One potential use is for companies (and individuals) to work around particular performance limitations and bugs in the Sun VM while keeping the libraries they know inside and out. I imagine that could become common if Harmony ends up being