Re: Harmony and the future of Java

2006-02-28 Thread Dalibor Topic
Damian Hamill herculeez.com> writes: > Can we have a distribution of Harmony that complies with Java > certification and add whatever is required to build an on-demand version > so as a developer/distributor I can choose what technologies I adopt for > the distribution and execution of my App

Re: Harmony and the future of Java

2006-02-27 Thread Damian Hamill
Dalibor Topic wrote: Damian Hamill herculeez.com> writes: If most/all of the classes were like this then the class library zip file would be very small. The same goes for the other programs and dlls, if they are not part of the JVM core and needed by every applet/application that runs then

Re: Harmony and the future of Java

2006-02-27 Thread Dalibor Topic
Geir Magnusson Jr pobox.com> writes: > >> Getting closer to topic, I wonder if someone can post here a > >> subjective summary of the ideas on support for dynamic languages in > >> future java. I'm concerned about the stagnation of jython (barely > >> commits since 2.2a1) and I would also like

Re: Harmony and the future of Java

2006-02-27 Thread Dalibor Topic
Damian Hamill herculeez.com> writes: > > I joined the list a few days ago and I got here as a result of reading the > "Java: Dead Like COBOL, Not Like Elvis?" thread on TheServerside > http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=39066. > > In a couple of posts by Dalibor Topic (a dev

Re: Harmony and the future of Java

2006-02-27 Thread Dalibor Topic
Geir Magnusson Jr pobox.com> writes: > > > Damian Hamill wrote: > > > > > I started to wonder if I should switch to c# .NET. I would rather > > stick with Java but the 16MB JRE download is a killer. > > One of our goals is Java everywhere. Literally. We've actually had that goal reached

Re: Harmony and the future of Java

2006-02-27 Thread Tim Ellison
Damian Hamill wrote: > Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: >> Damian Hamill wrote: >>> >>> The problem is that before you start to run your applet you have to >>> download and install everything that makes up the JRE including >>> classes, programs and dlls that your applet will never use. A better >>> solut

Re: Harmony and the future of Java

2006-02-26 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr
Damian Hamill wrote: I started to wonder if I should switch to c# .NET. I would rather stick with Java but the 16MB JRE download is a killer. One of our goals is Java everywhere. Literally. Unless Java Applets are as easy for the user as other technologies then they will be second cho

Re: Harmony and the future of Java

2006-02-26 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Santiago Gala wrote: [SNIP] Getting closer to topic, I wonder if someone can post here a subjective summary of the ideas on support for dynamic languages in future java. I'm concerned about the stagnation of jython (barely commits since 2.2a1) and I would also l

Re: Harmony and the future of Java

2006-02-25 Thread Damian Hamill
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Damian Hamill wrote: The problem is that before you start to run your applet you have to download and install everything that makes up the JRE including classes, programs and dlls that your applet will never use. A better solution would be to download and install the c

Re: Harmony and the future of Java

2006-02-25 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Damian Hamill wrote: Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: I agree with you (and Ben) about the fact that monoculture brings stagnation, but I don't think this is a good place for talking about "java innovations". This project is about implement a JVM as specified by the JCP, of which the ASF is part

Re: Harmony and the future of Java

2006-02-24 Thread Damian Hamill
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: I agree with you (and Ben) about the fact that monoculture brings stagnation, but I don't think this is a good place for talking about "java innovations". This project is about implement a JVM as specified by the JCP, of which the ASF is part of. Changing and inf

Re: Harmony and the future of Java

2006-02-24 Thread Tim Ellison
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: > Santiago Gala wrote: >> El jue, 23-02-2006 a las 20:44 -0500, Stefano Mazzocchi escribió: >> >> (...) >>> A good friend of mine used to have "cat juggler" as his title and I >>> was thinking about using "software plumber" as mine at one point. >> >> Fair enough, I used to

Harmony and the future of Java

2006-02-24 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Santiago Gala wrote: El jue, 23-02-2006 a las 20:44 -0500, Stefano Mazzocchi escribió: (...) A good friend of mine used to have "cat juggler" as his title and I was thinking about using "software plumber" as mine at one point. Fair enough, I used to have "problem solver" or "I solve your prob