It seems to me that trac is mainly about the various 'fptools' projects
and hawiki is about haskell topics in general.
John
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Hello Sven,
Wednesday, December 28, 2005, 1:18:35 PM, you wrote:
>> may be it will be better to use trac for all other things except for
>> wiki? we already one wiki system, imho dividing wiki pages between two
>> systems is not convenient
SP> I totally agree with Bulat here: The current state w
Am Donnerstag, 22. Dezember 2005 21:51 schrieb Bulat Ziganshin:
> may be it will be better to use trac for all other things except for
> wiki? we already one wiki system, imho dividing wiki pages between two
> systems is not convenient
I totally agree with Bulat here: The current state with 2 Wiki
On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 11:13 +0100, Ketil Malde wrote:
> I'm not familiar with Drupal, but at least EZ publish allows users to
> convert pages to PDF - could be quite useful for documentation etc.
This feature is planned for a Drupal, and I just found out that new
Drupal will have the feature to e
Am Donnerstag, 22. Dezember 2005 21:51 schrieb Bulat Ziganshin:
> Hello Wolfgang,
>
> Wednesday, December 21, 2005, 8:04:13 PM, you wrote:
> >> SPJ> http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc
> >>
> >> why you are preffered to create new Wiki system instead of continue
> >> using old one (HaWiki)? may be
Hello Wolfgang,
Wednesday, December 21, 2005, 8:04:13 PM, you wrote:
>> SPJ> http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc
>>
>> why you are preffered to create new Wiki system instead of continue
>> using old one (HaWiki)? may be it is better to just put on this page
>> link to the hawiki's GHC page?
WJ>
Am Dienstag, 20. Dezember 2005 14:04 schrieb Bulat Ziganshin:
> [...]
> SPJ> PS: GHC is now using Trac as its bug tracker, and has its own Wiki as
> SPJ> well. Please improve it! (Anyone can edit.)
> SPJ> http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc
>
> why you are preffered to create new Wiki system ins
Hello Simon,
Tuesday, December 20, 2005, 12:30:56 PM, you wrote:
SPJ> * There were suggestions of newsgroups and web forums.
i think that newcomers, especially yonger ones, will prefer to see web
forum. it's like Mekka now - everyone know how to use it and those who
are not Internet-gurus in man
Am Dienstag, 20. Dezember 2005 10:30 schrieb Simon Peyton-Jones:
> [...]
> My sense is that the main action item is
>
> how to make haskell.org a better web site
>
> (This is with no disrespect to John and Olaf, who have done a great job.
> But I know they would be only too happy to share th
On Tuesday 20 December 2005 11:13, Ketil Malde wrote:
> On e.g. Wikipedia, articles are neutral pieces of text, and it's very
> easy to improve it in any way. In Hawiki, I feel there is a large
> degree of ownership attached to each paragraph, and it makes me a bit
> wary of modifying it. Is it o
Simon Peyton-Jones wrote:
> * We don't have a plausible way of annotating GHC's user manual. One
> suggestion is a tree of Wiki pages, each linked from the corresponding
> section of the manual. We'd need an automated way to generate such a
> tree, and it's not clear what to do when moving from
"Simon Peyton-Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> * Gour suggested using a Content Management System (e.g. Drupal
> http://drupal.org/) for haskell.org's front page.
I'm not familiar with Drupal, but at least EZ publish allows users to
convert pages to PDF - could be quite useful for documentati
Dear Haskell folk,
A month or so ago I sent a message inviting suggestions about how to
make Haskell more open, and in particular how to make it easier for
Haskell users to contribute. There was quite a bit of traffic for a
while, which has died down now. Here's a quick summary of what I
learned
Am Mittwoch, den 16.11.2005, 12:56 +0100 schrieb Wolfgang Jeltsch:
> Am Mittwoch, 16. November 2005 11:32 schrieb Manuel M T Chakravarty:
> > Gour:
> > > Simon Peyton-Jones ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > > b) make a haskell.org repository for haskell-related projects
> > >
> > > by adding some requ
Am Mittwoch, 16. November 2005 11:32 schrieb Manuel M T Chakravarty:
> Gour:
> > Simon Peyton-Jones ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > b) make a haskell.org repository for haskell-related projects
> >
> > by adding some required features so that Haskell projects can move from
> > e.g. SF to haskell.org
Gour:
> Simon Peyton-Jones ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> b) make a haskell.org repository for haskell-related projects
>
> by adding some required features so that Haskell projects can move from
> e.g. SF to haskell.org. Here I'm thinking about Trac - wiki and issue
> tracking
> system (http://pr
Am Dienstag, 15. November 2005 17:15 schrieb Victor Blomqvist:
> [...]
> Actually, I heard the same arguments when disucssing webforum vs news at
> my institution, most old *nix-hackers prefered the news, and newer (non
> *nix-hacker) students liked web forum better.
Maybe because they don't know
On 11/15/05, Victor Blomqvist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Tomasz Zielonka" writes:
> > On Fri, Nov 11, 2005 at 03:12:40PM +, Duncan Coutts wrote:
> >> I would tend to disagree. I think the combination of the mailing lists,
> >> a wiki and the IRC channel cover most of our communication needs
"Tomasz Zielonka" writes:
> On Fri, Nov 11, 2005 at 03:12:40PM +, Duncan Coutts wrote:
>> I would tend to disagree. I think the combination of the mailing lists,
>> a wiki and the IRC channel cover most of our communication needs.
>
> Personally I prefer to use mailing lists, but they have one
> Maybe I changed Konqueror's font settings already. The point is that my
> settings are in such a way that text with the default font size is well
> readable while not taking up too much space. The problem is with
> haskell.org's links. They have a font size of 80% of the default. If the
> def
Am Sonntag, 13. November 2005 22:21 schrieben Sie:
> [...]
> Hmm, turning off my font settings, it still looks mostly okay. The
> font sizes aren't set in absolute terms in the CSS or HTML anywhere
> that I can see. They're all set to percentages of the default browser
> sizes. Perhaps the problem
On 2005-11-14 at 11:13+0100 Wolfgang Jeltsch wrote:
> Maybe I changed Konqueror's font settings already. The point is that my
> settings are in such a way that text with the default font size is well
> readable while not taking up too much space. The problem is with
> haskell.org's links. The
Wolfgang Jeltsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> But do these newsservers support the Gmane "mailinglist newsgroups"? I
> thought that you have to use the newsserver of Gmane in order to access them.
Okay, I checked: none of the institutional servers I have access to seem
to carry them, despite c
Wolfgang Jeltsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
(snip)
> But do these newsservers support the Gmane "mailinglist newsgroups"? I
> thought that you have to use the newsserver of Gmane in order to access them.
Oh, I have no idea about Gmane things or other things that require
particular news-servers
> > > > > > I'd like that we keep the present css style of the site (color
> > > > > > theme) which I find very nice and appealing,
> > > > >
> > > > > The font size is way too small!
> > > >
> > > > Well, in every browser I know (on Linux), you can setup your preferred
> > > > sitze for minimum an
On Sun, Nov 13, 2005 at 09:11:46PM +0100, Wolfgang Jeltsch wrote:
> Which browser are you speaking about? I use Konqueror.
I don't know about Konqueror, but in Firefox you can quickly increase
or decrease the font size pressing Ctrl with + or -. This is a local
per-window, per-tab setting, so it
Am Sonntag, 13. November 2005 20:29 schrieb Sven Panne:
> [...]
> As I'm guilty of kicking out the old SGML stuff and introducing DocBook
> XML, I'd like to add two remarks:
>
> * DocBook XML can be transformed into a very rich collection of output
> formats: XHTML, HTML Help, DVI, PS, PDF, FO, p
Am Sonntag, 13. November 2005 20:28 schrieben Sie:
> On 13/11/05, Wolfgang Jeltsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Am Sonntag, 13. November 2005 19:21 schrieb Gour:
> > > Wolfgang Jeltsch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > > > > I'd like that we keep the present css style of the site (color
> > > > > th
Am Freitag, 11. November 2005 15:51 schrieb Simon Marlow:
> [...] We already use DocBook XML, and I'm relatively pleased with it, except
> for the fact that it's far from easy to set up a working DocBook
> toolchain on your system unless your OS of choice is up to date and has
> a well-maintained s
On 13/11/05, Wolfgang Jeltsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Am Sonntag, 13. November 2005 19:21 schrieb Gour:
> > Wolfgang Jeltsch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > > > I'd like that we keep the present css style of the site (color theme)
> > > > which I find very nice and appealing,
> > >
> > > The fo
Am Sonntag, 13. November 2005 19:21 schrieb Gour:
> Wolfgang Jeltsch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > > I'd like that we keep the present css style of the site (color theme)
> > > which I find very nice and appealing,
> >
> > The font size is way too small!
>
> Well, in every browser I know (on Linux
Am Sonntag, 13. November 2005 19:11 schrieben Sie:
> On Sun, 2005-11-13 at 18:18 +0100, Wolfgang Jeltsch wrote:
> [...]
> > The most important question is: Does txt2tags use logical markup?
>
> No, it is very layout driven.
So then I would strongly recommend to *not* use it.
> [...]
> If you th
Wolfgang Jeltsch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > I'd like that we keep the present css style of the site (color theme)
> > which I find very nice and appealing,
>
> The font size is way too small!
Well, in every browser I know (on Linux), you can setup your preferred
sitze for minimum and/or medi
On Sun, 2005-11-13 at 18:18 +0100, Wolfgang Jeltsch wrote:
> Am Freitag, 11. November 2005 20:08 schrieb John Velman:
> > I agree with Gour. I found txt2tags as a result of a discussion on the
> > GTK2HS list. It is simple to use, readable as is, or easily transformable
> > to a variety of target
Wolfgang Jeltsch wrote:
The potential of newsgroup was also mentioned - creating of
compl.lang.haskell, but I won't comment of it considering that the
newsgroup cannot be one & all solution, and, otoh, does not, imho, provide
any substantial advantage over the other three forms (we already have
Am Freitag, 11. November 2005 23:26 schrieb Mark T.B. Carroll:
> Gour <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Creighton Hogg ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> >> Well, you don't have to be registered to post on it, which
> >> is actually rather nice.
> >
> > Hmmm, iirc, gmane.org wanted me to authorize in order
Am Freitag, 11. November 2005 20:03 schrieb Gour:
> Wolfgang Jeltsch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > The advantage of newsgroups over mailing lists is that newsgroups are
> > designed for discussions among several people and therefore newsgroup
> > software supports this kind of usage very well whil
Am Freitag, 11. November 2005 20:08 schrieb John Velman:
> I agree with Gour. I found txt2tags as a result of a discussion on the
> GTK2HS list. It is simple to use, readable as is, or easily transformable
> to a variety of targets. Also, it is consistent with bird-track literate
> Haskell, so I
Am Samstag, 12. November 2005 10:04 schrieb Gour:
> [...]
> I'd like that we keep the present css style of the site (color theme)
> which I find very nice and appealing,
The font size is way too small!
> [...]
> iii) forum
> pro)- provides ability to have sticky posts fo
At Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:27:50 -,
Simon Peyton-Jones wrote:
> Does anyone have experience of a larger-scale Wiki like this? (A
> few people have mentioned MediaWiki to me [MW], but I know nothing
> about it.) How would we make sure it stayed organised? And avoid
> getting screwed up by
Simon Peyton-Jones ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Dear Simon,
> Dear Haskell folk
>
> One thing that hit me forcibly during ICFP in Tallinn, and the
> associated workshops, is that the Haskell community may not be as good
> as (say) the Perl community at engaging and involving the people "in
> the tr
On Saturday 12 November 2005 02:30, Benjamin Franksen wrote:
> On Friday 11 November 2005 13:56, Wolfgang Jeltsch wrote:
> > Am Donnerstag, 10. November 2005 12:27 schrieb Simon Peyton-Jones:
> > > [...]
> > >
> > > * The GHC user manual [currently generated using DocBook]
> >
> > I think it shou
On Friday 11 November 2005 13:56, Wolfgang Jeltsch wrote:
> Am Donnerstag, 10. November 2005 12:27 schrieb Simon Peyton-Jones:
> > [...]
> >
> > * The GHC user manual [currently generated using DocBook]
>
> I think it should continue to be written in DocBook. (It should
> switch to DocBook XML
Tomasz Zielonka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
(snip)
> How about an integrated newsgroup+mailinglist+forum. If we had a
> two-way newsgroup+mailinglist integration, people could use it also
> as a forum, for example through gmail.google.com. But I don't use
> fora, so I probably talk nonsense.
That
Gour <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Creighton Hogg ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
>> Well, you don't have to be registered to post on it, which
>> is actually rather nice.
>
> Hmmm, iirc, gmane.org wanted me to authorize in order to be able to
> post though I do not know what is the present policy
On Fri, Nov 11, 2005 at 05:00:52PM +0100, Tomasz Zielonka wrote:
> How about an integrated newsgroup+mailinglist+forum. If we had a
> two-way newsgroup+mailinglist integration, people could use it also
> as a forum, for example through gmail.google.com.
Of course I meant groups.google.com
Best re
Creighton Hogg ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Well, you don't have to be registered to post on it, which
> is actually rather nice.
Hmmm, iirc, gmane.org wanted me to authorize in order to be able to
post though I do not know what is the present policy.
> Also, I think the archiving wo
On Fri, 11 Nov 2005, Gour wrote:
> Wolfgang Jeltsch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> > The advantage of newsgroups over mailing lists is that newsgroups are
> > designed
> > for discussions among several people and therefore newsgroup software
> > supports this kind of usage very well while mailin
Wolfgang Jeltsch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> The advantage of newsgroups over mailing lists is that newsgroups are designed
> for discussions among several people and therefore newsgroup software
> supports this kind of usage very well while mailing lists are actually
> a hack.
I do not follow n
Tomasz Zielonka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
(snip)
> Maybe it's time to register comp.lang.haskell?
(snip)
At the least, I find it conspicuous by its absence, given how many other
languages I see in comp.lang.* that I think of as less important, and
how busy groups like comp.lang.lisp are. In lieu
Hello Simon,
Friday, November 11, 2005, 7:11:51 PM, you wrote:
> * The GHC user manual [currently generated using DocBook]
>>
>> how it will be possible to contribute in ghc docs? for example, if i
>> wrote template haskell doc in MS Word, can i fo somethong to make it
>> ready to includ
I agree with Gour. I found txt2tags as a result of a discussion on the
GTK2HS list. It is simple to use, readable as is, or easily transformable
to a variety of targets. Also, it is consistent with bird-track literate
Haskell, so I can run my .lhs documents through txt2tags and get html,
latex,
Simon Marlow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> We already use DocBook XML, and I'm relatively pleased with it, except
> for the fact that it's far from easy to set up a working DocBook
> toolchain on your system unless your OS of choice is up to date and has
> a well-maintained set of DocBook packages.
Am Freitag, 11. November 2005 17:00 schrieben Sie:
> [...]
> Maybe it's time to register comp.lang.haskell?
You could also setup your own newsserver news.haskell.org and create whatever
groups you like there. This way you could create several Haskell groups,
corresponding to the mailing lists
On 11 November 2005 15:48, Bulat Ziganshin wrote:
> Friday, November 11, 2005, 5:51:55 PM, you wrote:
>
* The GHC user manual [currently generated using DocBook]
>>>
>>> I think it should continue to be written in DocBook. (It should
>>> switch to DocBook XML if it's still using SGML
On Fri, Nov 11, 2005 at 04:52:30PM +0100, Wolfgang Jeltsch wrote:
> IMO, the best solution are newsgroups. What I dislike with web-based
> communication (webmail, webforums) is that webbrowsing is not as flexible as
> using a specialized software and that you are not free in choosing your
> com
Am Freitag, 11. November 2005 16:45 schrieb Tomasz Zielonka:
> On Fri, Nov 11, 2005 at 03:12:40PM +, Duncan Coutts wrote:
> > I would tend to disagree. I think the combination of the mailing lists,
> > a wiki and the IRC channel cover most of our communication needs.
>
> Personally I prefer to
Hello Simon,
Friday, November 11, 2005, 5:51:55 PM, you wrote:
>>> * The GHC user manual [currently generated using DocBook]
>>
>> I think it should continue to be written in DocBook. (It should
>> switch to DocBook XML if it's still using SGML DocBook.) XML
>> documents are "type-safe" i
On Fri, Nov 11, 2005 at 03:12:40PM +, Duncan Coutts wrote:
> I would tend to disagree. I think the combination of the mailing lists,
> a wiki and the IRC channel cover most of our communication needs.
Personally I prefer to use mailing lists, but they have one disadvantage
- if you don't set u
On Fri, 2005-11-11 at 15:49 +0100, Victor Blomqvist wrote:
> "Simon Peyton-Jones" writes:
>
> > The important thing is that these mechanisms should work without any
> > central intervention. These are just two suggestions. Perhaps there
> > are other such mechanisms that we could put in place.
On 11 November 2005 12:57, Wolfgang Jeltsch wrote:
> Am Donnerstag, 10. November 2005 12:27 schrieb Simon Peyton-Jones:
>> [...]
>
>> - Work is afoot to move GHC's source-code repository to Darcs, to
>> make it easier for people to contribute patches
>
> Is it planned to split the current big
"Simon Peyton-Jones" writes:
> The important thing is that these mechanisms should work without any
> central intervention. These are just two suggestions. Perhaps there
> are other such mechanisms that we could put in place. Ideas?
One thing I have missed ever since I first visited haskell.o
Am Donnerstag, 10. November 2005 12:27 schrieb Simon Peyton-Jones:
> [...]
> - Work is afoot to move GHC's source-code repository to Darcs, to make
> it easier for people to contribute patches
Is it planned to split the current big monolithic repository into multiple
repositories in conjunctio
Well, I in no ways am an expert, but AFAIK the system is PHP/SQL based, therefore I don't think it should be very hard to modify the upload/download system to include PDF or files of any other form for that matter.
On 11/11/05, Till Mossakowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I have also made nice expe
I have also made nice experiences with MediaWiki/WikiPedia.
However, I think while you can include images on MediaWiki pages,
you cannot include documents (like ps or pdf) - these have to be
external links. Of course, the possibility of including such documents
would be a desirable feature for a s
Sorry to intrude myslf like this in the conversation.
First of all, let me present myself: My name is Andrea Sassanelli, and I'm Italian. I have just started studying Haskell at the UoEdinburgh this year, and immediatelly fell in love with it.
On a sidenote, the wikipedia does rely on moderators
"Simon Peyton-Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> - Make it possible for people to add comments, explanations, or
> questions to
> * The GHC user manual [currently generated using DocBook]
> * The Haskell 98 Report
> The idea would be that anyone could help improve these documents
Dear Haskell folk
One thing that hit me forcibly during ICFP in Tallinn, and the
associated workshops, is that the Haskell community may not be as good
as (say) the Perl community at engaging and involving the people "in
the trenches" [PRL]. Haskell.org is centrally maintained by a couple of
(exc
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