Re: [Haskell-cafe] ANN: gitit 0.5

2009-01-24 Thread Don Stewart
Thanks for this! I'm a daily, heavy gitit user, and am happy to see continued improvements to this excellent app. -- Don jgm: > We are pleased to announce the latest release of Gitit, the > multitalented distributed wiki written in Haskell. > > What's new in this release? > > * 'Gitit' is now s

[Haskell-cafe] Arch Haskell News: Jan 24 2009

2009-01-24 Thread Don Stewart
A regular update of Haskell in Arch Linux http://archhaskell.wordpress.com/2009/01/24/arch-haskell-news-jan-24-2009/ * Arch now has 864 Haskell packages in AUR. That’s an increase of 37 new Haskell packages in the last 13 days, or 2.8 new Haskell apps and libraries a day packaged so far in Ja

Re: [Haskell-cafe] unboxed, functional ATS language beats C++

2009-01-24 Thread Don Stewart
Note the inline C as well. agocorona: >[1]Language Shootout: ATS is the new top gunslinger. Beats C++ > > [2]http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/72hmw/language_shootout_ats_is_the_new_top_gunslinger/ > >...Many people somehow think that ATS is fast because of its support for

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Processor availability

2009-01-22 Thread Don Stewart
wasserman.louis: >How might I go about finding out how many processors are available in a >concurrent GHC program? I have some code I'd like to parallelize, but I >don't want to spawn a separate (even lightweight) thread for each of >thousands of minor tasks. > >Louis Wasserma

[Haskell-cafe] 1000 libraries

2009-01-21 Thread Don Stewart
We've done it! http://hackage.haskell.org/cgi-bin/hackage-scripts/stats 274 users have uploaded 3161 versions of 1000 packages. Thanks everyone who has written a library or tool or app and released it, for making hackage and cabal a success! This has gone further, perhaps more than anything els

[Haskell-cafe] Why monoids will abide...

2009-01-20 Thread Don Stewart
http://apfelmus.nfshost.com/monoid-fingertree.html Thanks Apfelmus for this inspiring contribution! ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Pure Haskell implementation of Float type?

2009-01-20 Thread Don Stewart
catamorphism: > Hello, > Is there a pure Haskell implementation of Floats, i.e., one that > (unlike GHC.Float) doesn't use foreign calls for things like > isFloatNegativeZero? I don't care about performance; I'm just looking > for something that doesn't use foreign calls. > Huh, what's the use ca

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Employment

2009-01-19 Thread Don Stewart
And of course, there's at least half a dozen people on this list at working at Galois. And all documented on the wiki, http://haskell.org/haskellwiki/Haskell_in_industry See you guys at CUFP 09! http://cufp.galois.com/ -- Don pbeadling: > Barclays Capital use it for Equity Derivat

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell WikiProject

2009-01-19 Thread Don Stewart
greenrd: > Is anyone else interested in forming a Haskell WikiProject on Wikipedia, > to collaborate on improving and maintaining the coverage and quality of > articles on Haskell-related software and topics (broadly defined)? Not > just programming topics specific to Haskell, but also ones of inte

Re: [Haskell-cafe] plugins can not be installed in ghc 6.10.1

2009-01-19 Thread Don Stewart
agocorona: >Do really pluigins needs Cabal (>=1.4 && <1.5) ??? >C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>cabal install plugins >Resolving dependencies... >cabal: dependencies conflict: ghc-6.10.1 requires Cabal ==1.6.0.1 however >Cabal-1.6.0.1 was excluded because plugins-1.3.1 r

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Comments from OCaml Hacker Brian Hurt

2009-01-18 Thread Don Stewart
david.waern: > 2009/1/18 Don Stewart : > > ross: > >> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 09:12:32PM -0500, a...@spamcop.net wrote: > >> > And FWIW, I agree with everyone who has commented that the documentation > >> > is inadequate. It'd be

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Anybody in Savannah?

2009-01-18 Thread Don Stewart
ketil: > > Hi, > > I arrived in Savannah yesterday (to attend PADL), and have spent the > most part of the day drifting aimlessly around. Thrilling as that may > be, I thought perhaps there might be other members of the Haskell > community around, and that perhaps we could arrange to meet inform

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Comments from OCaml Hacker Brian Hurt

2009-01-18 Thread Don Stewart
ross: > On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 09:12:32PM -0500, a...@spamcop.net wrote: > > And FWIW, I agree with everyone who has commented that the documentation > > is inadequate. It'd be nice if there was some way to contribute better > > documentation without needing checkin access to the libraries. > >

Re: [Haskell-cafe] runghc Setup.hs doitall

2009-01-18 Thread Don Stewart
duncan.coutts: > On Sun, 2009-01-18 at 17:58 +0100, Daniel Fischer wrote: > > Am Sonntag, 18. Januar 2009 17:22 schrieb Sebastian Sylvan: > > > Is there some sort of bundle that you can use to install cabal-install > > > easily? Because it looks to me like I'd have to spend the better part of > >

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Optimistic evaluation

2009-01-18 Thread Don Stewart
andrewcoppin: > Hi folks. > > I just read a rather interesting paper about a fork of GHC that performs > "optimistic evaluation". This shows big wins in some cases. > > The authors claim to have implemented this in a fork of GHC and promised > that it would be integrated into the production com

[Haskell-cafe] Hackage about to reach 1000 releases

2009-01-17 Thread Don Stewart
Hackage is about to reach the 1000 release mark, 2 years after it went live. That's right: in 2 years we've gone from having only a handful of released projects, to one thousand! Well done everyone! I did some quick visualisation of the rate of new releses, diversity of packages, and community g

Re: [Haskell-cafe] ANNOUNCE: Coadjute 0.0.1, generic build tool

2009-01-17 Thread Don Stewart
ilmari.vacklin: > 2009/1/18 Matti Niemenmaa : > > Announcing the release of Coadjute, version 0.0.1! > > Hi, > > trying to build on GHC 6.10.1 I get: > > Building regex-dfa-0.91... > > Text/Regex/DFA/Common.hs:6:7: > Could not find module `Data.IntMap': > it is a member of package con

Re: [Haskell-cafe] ANNOUNCE: Coadjute 0.0.1, generic build tool

2009-01-17 Thread Don Stewart
matti.niemenmaa+news: > Announcing the release of Coadjute, version 0.0.1! > > Web site: http://iki.fi/matti.niemenmaa/coadjute/ > Hackage: http://hackage.haskell.org/cgi-bin/hackage-scripts/package/Coadjute > Here's an Arch Linux package for it, http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=232

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Slow Text.JSON parser

2009-01-17 Thread Don Stewart
It occurs to me you could also use attoparsec, which is specifically optimised for bytestring processing. sjoerd: > Hi, > > Somebody told me about Parsec 3, which uses a Stream type class so it > can parse any data type. This sounded like the right way to do > encoding independent parsing, so

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell not ready for Foo [was: Re: Hypothetical Haskell job in New York]

2009-01-16 Thread Don Stewart
john: > > On Jan 15, 2009, at 9:31 AM, John Goerzen wrote: > >By "pure" do you mean "containing python code only"? I'm looking > >through a few, and: > > Search for "pure python mysql" or "pure python postgresql" and you'll > see at least two implementations. In addition, there are plenty of

Re: [Haskell-cafe] ANN: HTTPbis / HTTP-4000.x package available

2009-01-16 Thread Don Stewart
lemming: > > On Thu, 15 Jan 2009, Sigbjorn Finne wrote: > > >I guess it's time to publish more widely the availability of a > >modernization of the venerable and trusted HTTP package, which I've been > >working on off&on for a while. > > I was always afraid that a fork may happen during I wor

Re: [Haskell-cafe] What could be considered "standard Haskell" these days?

2009-01-16 Thread Don Stewart
briqueabraque: > Hi, > > I would like to take some time to study Haskell properly, so > that I could help others and pay my debt for the many times > I had to bother with my syntax questions. And, of course, > make better use of the language. > > My first attempt was to read the syntax descriptio

Re: [Haskell-cafe] ANNOUNCE: gitit 0.2 release - wiki using HAppS, git, pandoc

2009-01-15 Thread Don Stewart
Hey, since doing a recent upgrade of gitit, I'm getting: $ gitit Warning: jsMath not found. If you want support for math, copy the jsMath directory into static/js/ jsMath can be obtained from htt

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Comments from OCaml Hacker Brian Hurt

2009-01-15 Thread Don Stewart
duncan.coutts: > On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 19:46 +, Andrew Coppin wrote: > > > PS. As a small aside... Is the Monoid class actually used *anywhere* in > > all of Haskell? > > Yes. > > They're used quite a lot in Cabal. Package databases are monoids. > Configuration files are monoids. Command li

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Comments from OCaml Hacker Brian Hurt

2009-01-15 Thread Don Stewart
jgoerzen: > Hi folks, > > Don Stewart noticed this blog post on Haskell by Brian Hurt, an OCaml > hacker: > > http://enfranchisedmind.com/blog/2009/01/15/random-thoughts-on-haskell/ > > It's a great post, and I encourage people to read it. I'd like to > hig

Re: [Haskell-cafe] about System.Posix.Files.fileAccess

2009-01-14 Thread Don Stewart
manlio_perillo: > Hi. > > This is of course a personal opinion, but I think the interface of: > fileAccess :: FilePath -> Bool -> Bool -> Bool -> IO Bool > http://haskell.org/ghc/docs/latest/html/libraries/unix/System-Posix-Files.html#v:fileAccess > > is not very good. > > Is it possible to desi

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Slow Text.JSON parser

2009-01-13 Thread Don Stewart
amming language". > > On Jan 13, 2009, at 4:00 PM, Don Stewart wrote: > > >ketil: > >>"Levi Greenspan" writes: > >> > >>>Now I wonder why Text.JSON is so slow in comparison and what can be > >>>done about it. Any ideas? Or is

Re: [Haskell-cafe] walking a directory tree efficiently

2009-01-13 Thread Don Stewart
manlio_perillo: > Hi. > > During a tentative (quite unsuccessfull) to convert a simple Python > script that prints on stdout a directory and all its subdirectory [1] in > a good Haskell (mostly to start to do real practice with the language), > I came across this blog post: > http://blog.moerte

Re: [Haskell-cafe] ByteString intercalate semantics??

2009-01-13 Thread Don Stewart
vigalchin: >Hello, > > From Hoogle (my friend) > >intercalate :: [1]ByteString -> [[2]ByteString] -> [3]ByteString [4]Source >O(n) The [5]intercalate function takes a [6]ByteString and a list of >[7]ByteStrings and concatenates the list after interspersing the

Re: [Haskell-cafe] real haskell difficulties (at least for me)

2009-01-13 Thread Don Stewart
mle+cl: > Don Stewart wrote: > > > Well, the number one thing is to use Cabal and the cabal-install tool. > > That is the simplest way to avoid headaches. > > I'm sure cabal works very well for many people, but for anyone who > has used Debian based distributi

Re: [Haskell-cafe] real haskell difficulties (at least for me)

2009-01-13 Thread Don Stewart
Well, the number one thing is to use Cabal and the cabal-install tool. That is the simplest way to avoid headaches. Regarding libraries in general, the platform project is underway, aiming to bless a set of stable, "batteries included" packages, saving duplicated work determining which, say, json

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Slow Text.JSON parser

2009-01-13 Thread Don Stewart
ketil: > "Levi Greenspan" writes: > > > Now I wonder why Text.JSON is so slow in comparison and what can be > > done about it. Any ideas? Or is the test case invalid? > > I haven't used JSON, but at first glance, I'd blame String IO. Can't > you decode from ByteString? > Text.JSON was never o

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Data analysis with Haskell

2009-01-12 Thread Don Stewart
d: > Hi all, > > I'm going to start a project where I'll have to do some data analysis > (statistics about product orders) based on database entries; it will > mostly be some very basic stuff like grouping by certain rules and > finding averages as well as summing up and such. It will however

Re: [Haskell-cafe] ANN: bytestring-trie 0.1.4

2009-01-12 Thread Don Stewart
Do you have any benchmarks comparing dictionaries against Map ByteString Int, or Map String Int? -- Don wren: > > -- bytestring-trie 0.1.4 > > > Another release for efficient finite maps from (byte)strings

Re: [Haskell-cafe] data, util, and lang packages

2009-01-12 Thread Don Stewart
rodrigo.bonifacio: >Hi all, I'm trying to build a library whose configuration process requires >the data, util, and lang packages. I guess that these are *deprecated* >packages, since the library is said to be ghc 6.4.1 compliant. > >Which packages should I use instead? > >Whe

Re: [Haskell-cafe] ANN: HLint 1.2

2009-01-12 Thread Don Stewart
dons: > ndmitchell: > > Hi > > > > > Does GHC specialize map? If it doesn't, then hand crafted version > > > could be faster. > > > > GHC doesn't specialize map, and a hand-crafted one could be faster - > > but you then wouldn't get foldr/build fusion. In general HLint tries > > to make the code

Re: [Haskell-cafe] ANN: HLint 1.2

2009-01-12 Thread Don Stewart
ndmitchell: > Hi > > > Does GHC specialize map? If it doesn't, then hand crafted version > > could be faster. > > GHC doesn't specialize map, and a hand-crafted one could be faster - > but you then wouldn't get foldr/build fusion. In general HLint tries > to make the code prettier, but sometimes

[Haskell-cafe] Arch Haskell News: Jan 11 2009

2009-01-11 Thread Don Stewart
Arch Haskell News: Jan 11 2009 Hey all, welcome to the first Arch Haskell News of 2009. (News about Haskell on the Arch Linux platform). Arch now has 827 Haskell packages in AUR. That’s an increase of 93 new packages in the last 48 days, or 1.9 new Haskell apps and libraries a day over the h

Re: [Haskell-cafe] ANN: HLint 1.2

2009-01-11 Thread Don Stewart
ndmitchell: > Hi, > > I am pleased to announce HLint version 1.2. HLint is a lint-like tool > for Haskell that detects and suggests improvements for your code. > HLint is compatible with most GHC extensions, and supports a wide > variety of suggestions, and can be extended with additional user > s

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Looking for Haskellers on Windows

2009-01-10 Thread Don Stewart
redcom: > Hi all, > > I'm looking for Haskell programmer that use Windows as their OS-Plattform. > I developing an application in Haskell on Windows and run into problems > that seem to have a lower priority with the greater Haskell community as > most of them are using Linux where the probl

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell not ready for Foo [was: Re: Hypothetical Haskell job in New York]

2009-01-10 Thread Don Stewart
john: > On Jan 9, 2009, at 9:01 AM, Creighton Hogg wrote: > >2009/1/9 John A. De Goes : > >> > >>If you're looking for a project to take on, I would suggest > >>starting with > >>the following: > >> > >>A high-level, type-safe AMQP client written in 100% Haskell, which > >>provides > >>a clean

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Possible GC bug

2009-01-09 Thread Don Stewart
Report it as a GHC bug to the GHC team, here: http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/newticket?type=bug if you believe it is a bug. Cheers, Don anishmuttreja: >Hi, >I have a program that seems to run into occasional garbage >collection-related core dumps. The problem typically

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: concurrent haskell: thread priorities

2009-01-09 Thread Don Stewart
marlowsd: > Neal Alexander wrote: > >Thomas DuBuisson wrote: > >>It seems like we could get some priority based scheduling (and still > >>be slackers) if we allow marked green threads to be strictly > >>associated with a specific OS thread (forkChildIO?). > >> > >> > >>I think you want

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell not ready for Foo [was: Re: Hypothetical Haskell job in New York]

2009-01-08 Thread Don Stewart
wchogg: > On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 8:32 AM, John A. De Goes wrote: > > > > Haskell's networking support is very rudimentary. Erlang's is quite > > sophisticated. For network intensive applications, especially those > > requiring messaging, fault-tolerance, distribution, and so forth, there's no > >

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Hypothetical Haskell job in New York

2009-01-08 Thread Don Stewart
manlio_perillo: > Tony Hannan ha scritto: > >Let me give you more information about this hypothetical job posting. > >Our company is a startup CDN > >(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Content_Delivery_Network) about 3 years > >old and doing well. You would hythothetically be one of 7 programmer who

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Blitting one IOUArray into another

2009-01-07 Thread Don Stewart
You can of course memcpy unboxed arrays fairly easily. bulat.ziganshin: > Hello Denis, > > Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 6:56:36 PM, you wrote: > > memory allocated for i :))) > > each new copy of i needs one word. the situation was much worse with > Int64, of course :) > > > > Hi all, > > > I

Re: [Haskell-cafe] how out of memory is handled in Haskell

2009-01-06 Thread Don Stewart
manlio_perillo: > Hi. > > Here: > http://damienkatz.net/2008/03/what_sucks_abou.html > > I found how Erlang (or at least old versions of Erlang) handles out of > memory failure: it just calls exit(1). > > > How is this handled in GHC? > - exit(1)? > - abort()? > - IO exception? > > GHC:

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Lack of inlining -> slow parsing with Data.Binary

2009-01-06 Thread Don Stewart
ekirpichov: > Hi, > > I'm parsing Java classfiles with Data.Binary, the code is here: > http://paste.org/index.php?id=4625 > > The problem is that the resulting code parses rt.jar from JDK6 (about > 15K classes, 47Mb zipped) in 15 seconds (run the program with main > -mclose rt.jar, for instance)

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Maybe a compiler bug?

2009-01-06 Thread Don Stewart
If you believe this is a compiler bug, please report it: http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/newticket?type=bug mgross21: > > > My last note had an error in it, and the code originally sent to the list > should be ignored. I have attached the current version of the code, and > here is som

[Haskell-cafe] #haskell IRC channel reaches 600 users

2009-01-02 Thread Don Stewart
A small announcement :) 7 years after its inception, under the guiding hand of Shae Erisson (aka shapr), the #haskell IRC channel[1] on freenode has reached 600 concurrent users! It's now in the top 3 language channels by size. To chart the growth, we can note that the channel was founded in lat

Re: [Haskell-cafe] IORef vs TVar performance: 6 seconds versus 4 minutes

2008-12-29 Thread Don Stewart
jsnow: > This seems like it ought to be pretty innocuous, unless the whole list > is getting evaluated each time I cons a new entry, or if readTVar or > writeTVar are much more expensive than they appear. > For general details on the complexity of IORef, MVar or TVar structures, see Compar

[Haskell-cafe] ANNOUNCE: Cryptol now freely available

2008-12-24 Thread Don Stewart
Galois is pleased to announce that Cryptol, the language of cryptography, is now available to the public! Cryptol is a domain specific language for the design, implementation and verification of cryptographic algorithms, developed over the past decade by Galois for the United States National Secur

Re: [Haskell-cafe] New Haskell logo contest

2008-12-23 Thread Don Stewart
fruehr: > I think this logo contest is a great idea. I submitted my "classy > Haskell" logo from the merch. page, but I have to > admit I like some of the other ones on the submission page a whole lot. > > Hey, *here's* an idea: maybe whoever wins the logo contest has to take > over management

Re: [Haskell-cafe] The Haskell re-branding exercise

2008-12-23 Thread Don Stewart
eelco: > On 21 dec 2008, at 22:26, Sebastian Sylvan wrote: > >I am very shortly travelling abroad for several weeks and will not > >have (reliable access to) a computer, but isn't this a task for one > >of the haskell web-apps people (HSP, HAppS, Turbinado, etc.) to show > >us once and for al

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Can I build and install GHC 6.10.1 without previous installed ghc

2008-12-21 Thread Don Stewart
chunye.wang: > Hi All, > > >I have our own Linux distribution installed in my server. >it is based on RedHat 9.0. Because it is the server, I can >not update it to any other linux distribution > >Here is my situation, I have no machine with any version of ghc

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Threads with high CPU usage

2008-12-21 Thread Don Stewart
redcom: > Hi, > > in an application of mine I start a long-running operation in a thread via > forkIO so that the UI process doesn't get blocked. > It just so happens, that the long-running process also takes the CPU to > nearly 100% while it runs. > > During that time the run-time system doe

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Threads with high CPU usage

2008-12-21 Thread Don Stewart
redcom: > Hi Mads, > > I just noticed that too. > > I had been wondering why this problem does not occur with the sample app > from RWH eventhough I was employing the same technics as they did. > > It just occured to me that all the DB interactions in their app are fairly > short and thus th

Re: [Haskell-cafe] The Haskell re-branding exercise

2008-12-21 Thread Don Stewart
kili: > On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 01:23:33PM -0800, Don Stewart wrote: > > Would you be willing to set up a little online voting system (or do you > > know of one) so we can implement this? > > > > Assume there'll be < 10 candidates. > > What about www.do

Re: [Haskell-cafe] The Haskell re-branding exercise

2008-12-21 Thread Don Stewart
Would you be willing to set up a little online voting system (or do you know of one) so we can implement this? Assume there'll be < 10 candidates. -- Don sylvan: >2008/12/21 Paul Johnson <[1]p...@cogito.org.uk> > > This suggests that the current effort to find a new logo for Haskell >

Re: [Haskell-cafe] The Haskell re-branding exercise

2008-12-21 Thread Don Stewart
Wonderful, Paul. Could you add your list of adjectives to the wiki page. Note that the initial "deadline" was Dec 31, after which time we can filter out dupes and narrow down the logos to about 5 or so different directions to have a vote on. Anything you can do to help direct or improve quality is

Re: [Haskell-cafe] forkIO on multicore

2008-12-19 Thread Don Stewart
pkeir: > Hi all, > > I'm seeing no performance increase with a simple coarse-grained > 2-thread code using Control.Concurrent. I compile with: > > > hc conc.hs -o conc --make -threaded Also, if you care about performance in the slightest , please use -O2 Code is typically 10-30x faster with opt

[Haskell-cafe] RWH book club

2008-12-18 Thread Don Stewart
Matt Podwysocki set up a Real World Haskell book club, http://groups.google.com/group/real-world-haskell-book-club (a mailing list on google groups), with already some 200 members discussing typical new user Haskell questions. Feel free to join if you like talking about Haskell, or teaching

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Detecting system endianness

2008-12-18 Thread Don Stewart
Foreign.Storable.sizeOf wren: > In a similar vein, is there already a function available to give the > size of Word in bytes? Or should I write the usual Ptr conversion tricks > to figure it out? > > > > Holger Siegel wrote: > >On Thursday 18 December 2008 13:40:47 Ryan Ingram wrote: > >>Actu

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Thread scheduling and GHC.Conc

2008-12-18 Thread Don Stewart
jacobrfoell: > using ghc v6.8.2 > Problem: > I am creating a program that forks two other lightweight threads. One > of the forked threads seems to be stuck or dead after running > successfully for a non-trivial amount of time. I am receiving no > error messages. > Questions: > What is the best w

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Time for a new logo?

2008-12-17 Thread Don Stewart
wqeqweuqy: > """ To be eligible, you will need to upload them. Entries not displayed > here won't be eligible. """ > > Do the images really have to be uploaded to the wiki or are external > links on the wiki page ok? > External is fine. Just make sure they're visible on the page. Thanks! - D

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Time for a new logo?

2008-12-17 Thread Don Stewart
> > The current logo is basically a circle plus a whole heap of mathematical > symbols. That doesn't really say "hey, this stuff is fun, come on in!" > It says "this is for maths nerds only". (Which isn't actually true, in > my opinion. But the current logo gives that impression.) I'd like our

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Time for a new logo?

2008-12-17 Thread Don Stewart
andrewcoppin: > Jonathan Cast wrote: > >>{-# LANGUAGE ExistentialQuantification #-} > >> > >>Hmm, now if this was Perl or something, that would be > >>HiddenTypeVariables or something. Much less fearsom-sounding. > >> > > > >No, it's cute. Repulsively so. > > > > Right. So giving things me

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell as a religion

2008-12-16 Thread Don Stewart
paul: > Hugo Pacheco wrote: > >http://www.aegisub.net/2008/12/if-programming-languages-were-religions.html > What does it mean, "*If* Programming Languages were religions"? I think of Haskell more as a revolutionary movement. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing lis

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Time for a new logo?

2008-12-15 Thread Don Stewart
mgg: > Don Stewart wrote: > > I noticed a new haskell logo idea on a tshirt today, > > > > > > http://image.spreadshirt.net/image-server/image/configuration/13215127/producttypecolor/2/type/png > > > > Simple, clean and *pure*. > > > > Whil

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Time for a new logo?

2008-12-15 Thread Don Stewart
Could you upload it to the logo contest page: http://haskell.org/haskellwiki/Haskell_logos/New_logo_ideas jefferson.r.heard: > My entry... > > 2008/12/15 Martin DeMello : > > Something incorporating λ∀ perhaps > > > > martin > > ___ > > Haskell-C

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Time for a new logo?

2008-12-15 Thread Don Stewart
ems off, so that would need fixing first. > > In terms of slogan "purely functional", "lazy with class", or "lazy. > pure. functional." look ok. The rest, not so much. > > 2008/12/14 Don Stewart : > > I noticed a new haskell logo idea on a tshirt to

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Time for a new logo?

2008-12-14 Thread Don Stewart
eelco: > On 14 dec 2008, at 22:15, Don Stewart wrote: > >I noticed a new haskell logo idea on a tshirt today, > > > > > > http://image.spreadshirt.net/image-server/image/configuration/13215127/producttypecolor/2/type/png > > > >Simple, clean and *pure*. &

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Time for a new logo?

2008-12-14 Thread Don Stewart
ketil: > Don Stewart writes: > > > I noticed a new haskell logo idea on a tshirt today, > > > > > > http://image.spreadshirt.net/image-server/image/configuration/13215127/producttypecolor/2/type/png > > > > Simple, clean and *pure*. > > Ni

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Time for a new logo?

2008-12-14 Thread Don Stewart
brianchina60221: > On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Don Stewart wrote: > > I noticed a new haskell logo idea on a tshirt today, > > > > http://image.spreadshirt.net/image-server/image/configuration/13215127/producttypecolor/2/type/png > > I'd buy one, but I&#x

[Haskell-cafe] Time for a new logo?

2008-12-14 Thread Don Stewart
I noticed a new haskell logo idea on a tshirt today, http://image.spreadshirt.net/image-server/image/configuration/13215127/producttypecolor/2/type/png Simple, clean and *pure*. Instead of the "we got lots going on" of the current logo. Any graphic designers want to try some variations on

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Small haskell practical course

2008-12-13 Thread Don Stewart
marcot: > Hello, > > I've presented a small practical course[0] in EMSL[1]. Any comments are > welcome. > > 0: http://marcot.iaaeee.org/mini-curso.pdf (Portuguese only) > 1: http://emsl.softwarelivre.org/ > Wonderful. Maybe you can add it to the .pt section of the Haskell wiki? http://has

Re: [Haskell-cafe] wlan library

2008-12-12 Thread Don Stewart
cetin.sert: >Hi *^o^*, > >I am writing [1]a network manager as a replacement for some broken, >already existing knetworkmanager for a friend's computer. > >I was looking for some haskell libraries that provide access to wlan cards >but could not find any on hackage. Maybe I mi

[Haskell-cafe] Retrospective on 2008?

2008-12-10 Thread Don Stewart
I've been kicking the idea around of a 2008 retrospective. How did we do this year? After all, it has been a dramatic growth period (we're close to 600 people a day in #haskell now, for example, and many new faces!) Some ideas: * 10 best new libraries * 10 best new apps * 10 most infl

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Projects that depend on the vty package?

2008-12-10 Thread Don Stewart
coreyoconnor: > Hello, > For further development of the vty package I'm really only paying > attention to the requirements that fall out of the Yi project. Are > there any other projects that depend on the vty package? > > In addition, the vty project has it's own wiki: http://trac.haskell.org/vty

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell project proposals reddit

2008-12-10 Thread Don Stewart
josef.svenningsson: > On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 5:34 AM, Don Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'd like to echo Jason's remarks earlier. > > > >http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell_proposals/ > > > > We've tried for a couple of years n

[Haskell-cafe] Haskell project proposals reddit

2008-12-09 Thread Don Stewart
I'd like to echo Jason's remarks earlier. http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell_proposals/ We've tried for a couple of years now to efficiently track 'wanted libraries' for the community, but never with much success. In particular, two approaches have been tried: * a wiki page * the 200{6

Re: [Haskell-cafe] File name encodings

2008-12-09 Thread Don Stewart
code function doesn't seem to help here as it's too far at the end > of the chain. > > Günther > > Am 10.12.2008, 02:45 Uhr, schrieb Don Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > >redcom: > >>Hi, > >> > >>how can I convert a file nam

Re: [Haskell-cafe] File name encodings

2008-12-09 Thread Don Stewart
dons: > redcom: > > Hi, > > > > how can I convert a file name with for example umlauts (ü, ä ... ) into > > UTF8, or some other format that I can actually use it? > > > > Günther > > > > Using the utf8-string package to encode the file name string. > > e.g. > > x <- readFile (en

Re: [Haskell-cafe] File name encodings

2008-12-09 Thread Don Stewart
redcom: > Hi, > > how can I convert a file name with for example umlauts (ü, ä ... ) into > UTF8, or some other format that I can actually use it? > > Günther > Using the utf8-string package to encode the file name string. e.g. x <- readFile (encode "ኃይሌ ገብረሥላሴ") http://hac

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Dr Dobbs: Time to get good at functionalprogramming

2008-12-08 Thread Don Stewart
claus.reinke: > > For this purpose, the only thing better is if we could somehow > > get them to mention Microsoft everywhere they mention Haskell. > > Any actual explaining would just get in the way :) > > Doesn't quite work without explaining, because one would have > to be very careful not to m

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Building "plugins" from Hackage

2008-12-08 Thread Don Stewart
solistic: > Hello List, > when I try to install the package "plugins" with cabal i get the following > error. > > cabal: dependencies conflict: ghc-6.8.3 requires Cabal ==1.2.4.0 however > Cabal-1.2.4.0 was excluded because plugins-1.3.1 requires Cabal ==1.4.* > > Is there a way to resolve this?

Re: [Haskell-cafe] what does "atomically#" mean?

2008-12-07 Thread Don Stewart
dmehrtash: >Any idea was the atomically# mean in the following code? > >atomically :: STM a -> IO a >atomically (STM m) = IO (\s -> (atomically# m) s ) > >Code is from GHC.Conc module >[1]http://www.haskell.org/ghc/docs/6.6/html/libraries/base/GHC-Conc.html It is a primitive

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Dr Dobbs: Time to get good at functional programming

2008-12-07 Thread Don Stewart
dons: > jason.dusek: > > Too bad they didn't pimp Haskell as practical. > > It looked like an archaic view of Haskell based on reading wikipedia, > imo. Perhaps we should take charge of the wikipedia page, if it is that > influential. To those reading, the wikipedia article is here, http:/

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Dr Dobbs: Time to get good at functional programming

2008-12-07 Thread Don Stewart
jason.dusek: > Too bad they didn't pimp Haskell as practical. It looked like an archaic view of Haskell based on reading wikipedia, imo. Perhaps we should take charge of the wikipedia page, if it is that influential. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haske

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Origins of '$'

2008-12-06 Thread Don Stewart
porges: > Hello Haskell-Café: > > This is a little bit random, but I was just wondering if anyone knew > where the $ low-precedence parenthesis-eliminating application operator > originated. The Haskell Report doesn't mention anything, and I can't > search for "$" on Google. So... who thought it u

Re: [Haskell-cafe] ANN: "Real World Haskell", now shipping

2008-12-03 Thread Don Stewart
andrewcoppin: > Jason Dusek wrote: > >Andrew Coppin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >>...it has been my general experience that almost everything > >>obtained from Hackage fails miserably to compile under > >>Windows. (IIRC, one package even used a Bash script as part of > >>the build process!)

Re: [Haskell-cafe] gmp license == no commercial/closed source haskell software ??

2008-12-03 Thread Don Stewart
lionel: > I've just discovered the GMP license problem. (see > http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/wiki/ReplacingGMPNotes) > > From my understanding, the gmp is GPL, GHC statically links it on windows. > As a consequence, any program compiled using GHC must be distributed > under a GPL compatibl

Re: [Haskell-cafe] The Knight's Tour: solutions please

2008-11-30 Thread Don Stewart
dan.doel: > Here's a clean-up of my code (it even fits within the line-length limit of my > mail client :)). Note that it's pretty much exactly the Python algorithm. > When > the Python program finds a solution, it prints the board and exits. Since > that's evil IO type stuff, we noble function

Re: [Haskell-cafe] The Knight's Tour: solutions please

2008-11-30 Thread Don Stewart
ajb: > G'day all. > > Quoting Don Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > >So, team, anyone want to implement a Knight's Tour solver in a list > >monad/list comprehension one liner? These little puzzles are made for > >fast languages with backtracking m

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Cabal

2008-11-30 Thread Don Stewart
duncan.coutts: > On Sun, 2008-11-30 at 10:57 +, Andrew Coppin wrote: > > > As I understand it, that's also a seperate download. (Whereas the cabal > > library comes with GHC.) > > > > One day, if I feel hard-core enough, I might try this tool. (Assuming it > > works on Windows...) It sounds

[Haskell-cafe] The Knight's Tour: solutions please

2008-11-30 Thread Don Stewart
Lee Pike forwarded the following: "Solving the Knight's Tour Puzzle In 60 Lines of Python" http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/11/30/1722203 Seems that perhaps (someone expert in) Haskell could do even better? Maybe even parallelize the problem? :) So, team, anyo

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: ANN: "Real World Haskell", now shipping

2008-11-30 Thread Don Stewart
andrewcoppin: > Ahn, Ki Yung wrote: > >Andrew Coppin 쓴 글: > >>Then again, one day I sat down and tried to draw a diagram of the > >>essential concepts, techniques and syntax of Haskell and how they're > >>related... The result looked like alphabet soup! It's not clear how > >>you start to explai

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell, successing crossplatform API standart

2008-11-30 Thread Don Stewart
s.clover: > Haxr provides a basic implementation of the XML-RPC protocol, and > while it looks like it doesn' t build on 6.10 at the moment, getting > it to build shouldn't be a problem, and although it doesn't appear to > be under active development, it does seem to be getting maintenance

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Cabal

2008-11-30 Thread Don Stewart
daniel.is.fischer: > Am Sonntag, 30. November 2008 20:46 schrieb Don Stewart: > > andrewcoppin: > > > Thomas Schilling wrote: > > > >Cabal-the-install-tool (package "cabal-install") is actually a > > > >different program that sits on top of Cab

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Compilers

2008-11-30 Thread Don Stewart
john: > On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 09:00:48PM -0500, Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH wrote: > > On 2008 Nov 29, at 20:02, John Meacham wrote: > >> Oh golly. I never put DrIFT on cabal, apparently whomever tried to > >> cabalize it didn't include the ghc driver script, and also appeared to > >> just drop the

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