David House wrote:
> An issue came up on #haskell recently with Hackage accounts requiring
> real names. The person in question (who didn't send this email as he's
> wishing to remain anonymous) applied for a Hackage account and was
> turned down, as he refused to offer his real name for the userna
I don't like using my real name on line unless I am 100% sure that I want my
statements recorded for all time and available to anyone. Using a pseudonym
allows me to be more honest in my opinions and it allows me to join groups
without wondering how my membership in that group will be viewed in
On Mon, 5 Apr 2010 13:59:50 +0100
>> "David" == David House wrote:
David> Moreover it makes things more difficult for everyone else. If
David> someone uses their pseudonym on IRC, on the wiki, on the mailing
David> lists, on their website and so on and so forth, that's how I
David> know them
Gwern Branwen gmail.com> writes:
> It must've been put in place in the past year or two; I've never made
> any bones about using a pseudonym, and I had no trouble getting a
> Hackage account back when it was starting up.
It may have helped that you appear to be using a pseudonym somewhat less
ob
David House wrote:
> * "Reputation. Using a RealName is the most credible way to build a
> combined online and RealLife identity." (Some people don't want this,
> for whatever reasons.)
I agree that the restriction should be lifted. A lot of very smart
people do not want their real names connec
Luke Palmer wrote:
> > So all in all there is no convincing argument for the restriction,
> > but at least two convincing arguments against.
>
> When you say convincing, you are talking about yourself being
> convinced, right? So this paragraph means "The arguments against my
> position haven't
Ivan Miljenovic wrote:
> On 6 April 2010 14:28, Ertugrul Soeylemez wrote:
> > Luke Palmer wrote:
> >> When you say convincing, you are talking about yourself being
> >> convinced, right? So this paragraph means "The arguments against my
> >> position haven't convinced me, but the arguments for
Edward Z. Yang wrote:
> This is a pretty terrible reason, but I'm going to throw it out there:
> I like real names because they're much more aesthetically pleasing.
I agree, and this is why I phased out "apfelmus" in favor of the
pseudonym "Heinrich Apfelmus".
So, a more accurate policy would be
Steve Schafer wrote:
> Heinrich Apfelmus wrote:
>
>> I agree, and this is why I phased out "apfelmus" in favor of the
>> pseudonym "Heinrich Apfelmus".
>
> You mean your name isn't really "Applesauce"?
I would probably apply for a name change if it were. ;)
Regards,
Heinrich Apfelmus
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On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 9:18 PM, Ertugrul Soeylemez wrote:
> David House wrote:
>
>> * "Reputation. Using a RealName is the most credible way to build a
>> combined online and RealLife identity." (Some people don't want this,
>> for whatever reasons.)
>
> I agree that the restriction should be lif
On 6 April 2010 14:28, Ertugrul Soeylemez wrote:
> Luke Palmer wrote:
>> When you say convincing, you are talking about yourself being
>> convinced, right? So this paragraph means "The arguments against my
>> position haven't convinced me, but the arguments for my position
>> have."
>
> Yes, of
On 04/05/2010 11:32 PM, Ivan Miljenovic wrote:
4) The people who support the policy don't see why anyone has a problem with it.
I have seen no logical explanation of *why* anybody supports this
policy. I've only seen vague hand-wavy statements like "people who use
real names are more reliable
On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 7:32 AM, Ivan Miljenovic
wrote:
> 5) No-one is convincing anyone else to their point of view, so we have
> a stale mate.
Can you really legally distribute your software under an open source
license if you don't use your real name? At least the Linux kernel has
a policy thes
Ertugrul Soeylemez wrote:
Human identity is much more than just a file descriptor or a map key,
and people from academia often don't get this, because they don't have
to fear using their real names. Particularly in economically illiberal
countries being known as the author of a certain Haskell p
Pekka Enberg writes:
> Can you really legally distribute your software under an open source
> license if you don't use your real name?
I think it would be hard to enforce any copyright license without
revealing the connection between your pseudonym and real person, but
I don't see any reason wh
> "Pekka" == Pekka Enberg writes:
Pekka> On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 7:32 AM, Ivan Miljenovic
Pekka> wrote:
>> 5) No-one is convincing anyone else to their point of view, so we
>> have a stale mate.
Pekka> Can you really legally distribute your software under an open
Pekk
Ivan Miljenovic wrote:
> 5) No-one is convincing anyone else to their point of view, so we
> have a stale mate.
Would allowing pseudonyms but requiring them to be explicitly marked as
such be an acceptable compromise?
Ganesh
=
On 6 April 2010 05:01, Luke Palmer wrote:
> When you say convincing, you are talking about yourself being
> convinced, right? So this paragraph means "The arguments against my
> position haven't convinced me, but the arguments for my position
> have."
Had I been told a convincing reason for the
On 6 April 2010 05:32, Ivan Miljenovic wrote:
> 5) No-one is convincing anyone else to their point of view, so we have
> a stale mate.
Let me summarise the main arguments against the restriction:
1. It stops people from contributing to hackage. (It is immaterial
that if you were in their positio
David House writes:
> 2. Inconsistency. If someone is known by their pseudonym on the
> mailing list, IRC, haskellwiki, blogs and so on, that is how I know
> them. How am I meant to find out their real name, in general? The rest
> of the internet works off pseudonyms and it is more convenient for
On Tue, 06 Apr 2010 20:06:27 +1000, Ivan Lazar Miljenovic
wrote:
>> I've been over this thread and couldn't see anywhere where you'd made
>> an attempt to refute these arguments, so I guess you take them as
>> solid. On the other hand, every argument put forward by the
>> pro-restriction group has
David House writes:
> Let me summarise the main arguments against the restriction:
> 1. It stops people from contributing [..]
> 2. Inconsistency [..]
> 3. Privacy issues [..]
4. It inteferes with people's freedom - who has the right to dictate what
name a person (or, for that matter, a group
2010/4/6 :
> On Tue, 06 Apr 2010 20:06:27 +1000, Ivan Lazar Miljenovic
> wrote:
>>> I've been over this thread and couldn't see anywhere where you'd made
>>> an attempt to refute these arguments, so I guess you take them as
>>> solid. On the other hand, every argument put forward by the
>>> pro-r
Ketil Malde writes:
> 5. It encourages dishonesty: if you want to contribute but not reveal
> your real name, you have the option to lie about it, and can be fairly
> confident your lie will never be called.
This to me sounds like a reason _for_ the policy (actually, a stricter
variant) rather th
> > Let me summarise the main arguments against the restriction:
>
> > 1. It stops people from contributing [..]
> > 2. Inconsistency [..]
> > 3. Privacy issues [..]
>
> 4. It inteferes with people's freedom - who has the right to dictate what
> name a person (or, for that matter, a group of peo
And another +1 from me too.
Keeping the policy will only achieve that people who want to stay anonymous
will stay away from hackage, and that's not something (IMHO) we should want.
David.
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On Tue, Apr 06, 2010 at 10:10:09AM +0100, David House wrote:
> 3. Privacy issues. Some people simply cannot reveal their real names.
I've already said I was prepared to make exceptions in such cases, but
perhaps you missed that.
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On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Serguey Zefirov wrote:
> http://lambda-the-ultimate.org is one lovely community that has that
> restriction: http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/policies#Policies
LtU has no restriction on user names. From LtU's policy:
> Anonymity and the use of pseudonyms is discourag
On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 6:08 AM, Serguey Zefirov wrote:
> http://lambda-the-ultimate.org is one lovely community that has that
> restriction: http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/policies#Policies
I quote the policy in full here:
> Many of us here post with our real, full names. Anonymity and the use o
On Tue, 06 Apr 2010 14:57:30 +0200, you wrote:
>I agree, and this is why I phased out "apfelmus" in favor of the
>pseudonym "Heinrich Apfelmus".
You mean your name isn't really "Applesauce"?
Steve Schafer
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Am Dienstag 06 April 2010 14:57:30 schrieb Heinrich Apfelmus:
> Edward Z. Yang wrote:
> > This is a pretty terrible reason, but I'm going to throw it out there:
> > I like real names because they're much more aesthetically pleasing.
>
> I agree, and this is why I phased out "apfelmus" in favor of t
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