On Thu, 25 May 2006 12:11:09 -0500, David Champion d...@uchicago.edu wrote:
* On 2006.05.25, in 20060525184438.0926f...@pc09,
* H.Merijn Brand h.m.br...@xs4all.nl wrote:
Huh? I've been using UNIX since 1982. Long enough? I started with System
III,
and then got cought in a job that
On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 06:44:38PM +0200, H.Merijn Brand wrote:
On Thu, 25 May 2006 11:30:20 -0500, David Champion d...@uchicago.edu wrote:
* On 2006.05.25, in 20060525181940.6a7da...@pc09,
* H.Merijn Brand h.m.br...@xs4all.nl wrote:
On Thu, 25 May 2006 09:53:56 -0500 (CDT), sabrina
jrod...@skonnos:~ ls -?
ls: invalid option -- ?
Try `ls --help' for more information.
% ls -?
No match.
% ls -\?
usage: ls [-ABCFGHLPRSTWZabcdfghiklnoqrstuvx1] [file ...]
THAT is what SHOULD happen.
On Thu, 25 May 2006 11:04:02 -0700, jrod...@hate.spamportal.net wrote:
On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 06:44:38PM +0200, H.Merijn Brand wrote:
On Thu, 25 May 2006 11:30:20 -0500, David Champion d...@uchicago.edu
wrote:
* On 2006.05.25, in 20060525181940.6a7da...@pc09,
* H.Merijn Brand
Huh? I've been using UNIX since 1982. Long enough? I started with System III,
and then got cought in a job that involved writing Unic Device drivers for
SLD disks. I've never seen a UNIX command from that time that did not support
-?
Really?
I've never used a UNIX system where that worked.
On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 11:30:20AM -0500, David Champion wrote:
But the larger point is that an exception occurs (-h is not recognized
as an option) which triggers an error message. Given the history of
-h, why should that error not be help itself, rather than metahelp?
OTOH, you really want
But the larger point is that an exception occurs (-h is not recognized
as an option) which triggers an error message. Given the history of
-h, why should that error not be help itself, rather than metahelp?
A larger point is that the error message should be helpful no matter WHAT
the option
Peter da Silva wrote:
But the larger point is that an exception occurs (-h is not recognized
as an option) which triggers an error message. Given the history of
-h, why should that error not be help itself, rather than metahelp?
A larger point is that the error message should be helpful no
H.Merijn Brand h.m.br...@xs4all.nl wrote:
Sorry, I disagree. And I have never liked -h to be help.
IMHO it should be either -? or --help, and -help could be acceptable
-help can't work or you'd never be able to combine options, which is a
long standing unixism for lazy people. (I'm lazy, I
On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 03:28:10PM -0400, Chris Devers wrote:
-h wouldn't have to be defined or special-cased, because the catchall
would catch it.
Disagree.
Even if the generated messages are the same, use of an undefined
option should write a message to stderr, and exit with a non-zero
You have to escape it from your shell? Either you have files whose
name is simply hyphen plus another character in the current directory,
or you have a hateful shell.
I have a shell that allows me to set nonomatch to turn this off.
I do not do this, because having metacharacters sometimes
It was thus said that the Great H.Merijn Brand once stated:
On Thu, 25 May 2006 09:53:56 -0500 (CDT), sabrina downard s...@uchicago.edu
wrote:
If you do not have a better use for -h, and you have coded a usage
statement for --help, then how damned difficult would it be to make -h
H.Merijn Brand skribis 2006-05-25 18:19 (+0200):
IMHO it should be either -? or --help, and -help could be acceptable
-? is silly. In most shells, it's a glob match, and is passed to the
program only if it didn't match.
I couldn't easily find any program that supports -?...
ju...@nano:~$ ls -?
On Thu, 25 May 2006 21:12:39 +0200, Juerd ju...@convolution.nl wrote:
H.Merijn Brand skribis 2006-05-25 18:19 (+0200):
IMHO it should be either -? or --help, and -help could be acceptable
-? is silly. In most shells, it's a glob match, and is passed to the
program only if it didn't match.
H.Merijn Brand skribis 2006-05-25 21:43 (+0200):
ju...@nano:~$ perl -?
Unrecognized switch: -? (-h will show valid options).
ju...@nano:~$ vi -?
VIM - Vi IMproved 6.4 (2005 Oct 15, compiled Apr 28 2006 01:45:37)
Unknown option: -?
More info with: vim -h
ju...@nano:~$ python -?
* On 2006.05.25, in pine.lnx.4.58.0605251325460.7...@culain.madstop.com,
* Luke Kanies l...@madstop.com wrote:
Solaris stupidly has no retrieval tech builtin, and their packaging software
...
Because Sun's package system is stupid, the current package has to be
removed, rather than
How about: I hate it when I switch mail readers and the reply defaults
change from reply to all to reply to original sender only, and I
send a couple responses which were meant to have gone to the list
directly to the senders.
(Clearly not my fault. Each mailreader assumes it knows best
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