Re: OT: hiring programmers

2007-06-14 Thread Zach White
On Thu, Jun 14, 2007 at 11:53:39AM +0200, A. Pagaltzis wrote: > A surprising number of applicants can't actually program, so you > want to weed them out early by asking for direct proof that they > can do so. However, you also want to avoid the testing situation > bias, so I wouldn't to sit them do

[offlist] Re: OT: hiring programmers

2007-06-14 Thread Yossi Kreinin
A. Pagaltzis wrote: Nowhere did I say that writing code outside of the job should be a precondition. Others did :) A surprising number of applicants can't actually program It's really quite surprising. bias, so I wouldn't to sit them down with a moronic coding test (like that "FizzBuzz"

Re: OT: hiring programmers

2007-06-14 Thread A. Pagaltzis
* Yossi Kreinin [2007-06-14 09:55]: > As to your other message, about writing code before the > interview - sure, every good candidate should be able to do it. > I'm only saying I don't like the idea of making writing code > outside of one's job a precondition for an interview. Nowhere did I say

Re: OT: hiring programmers

2007-06-14 Thread Abigail
On Thu, Jun 14, 2007 at 09:44:27AM +0300, Yossi Kreinin wrote: > Peter da Silva wrote: > >Actually... > > > >I think the analogy "not hiring a brewer who doesn't drink" doesn't even > >go far enough. > > > >Even if you don't like programming, or don't currently program in your > >spare time, I ca

Re: OT: hiring programmers

2007-06-14 Thread Yossi Kreinin
A. Pagaltzis wrote: * Yossi Kreinin [2007-06-13 17:55]: There are many programming languages solving the same problem of programming, many operating systems solving the problem of operating a system, many web browsers solving the problem of browsing the web, and many idiotic programs solving t

Re: OT: hiring programmers

2007-06-14 Thread Jonathan Stowe
On Thu, 2007-06-14 at 09:44 +0300, Yossi Kreinin wrote: > Peter da Silva wrote: > > Actually... > > > > I think the analogy "not hiring a brewer who doesn't drink" doesn't even > > go far enough. > > > > Even if you don't like programming, or don't currently program in your > > spare time, I ca

Re: OT: hiring programmers

2007-06-14 Thread Yossi Kreinin
Peter da Silva wrote: On Jun 13, 2007, at 9:22 AM, Yossi Kreinin wrote: And then there's the horrific category of people who love software and can talk for all day long about it and know everything they've ever used inside out but somehow manage not to get anything done properly and/or annoy

Re: OT: hiring programmers

2007-06-14 Thread Yossi Kreinin
Peter da Silva wrote: Actually... I think the analogy "not hiring a brewer who doesn't drink" doesn't even go far enough. Even if you don't like programming, or don't currently program in your spare time, I can't imagine someone who's a programmer who has *never* written any software that t