Re: XML

2010-04-29 Thread David Cantrell
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 02:47:26PM +0100, Peter Corlett wrote: On 27 Apr 2010, at 14:32, James Laver wrote: It's telling that at a large FTSE 250 we were hand constructing the xml (with string concatenation, no less) to get around the shitty libraries problem. Funnily enough, that's what

Re: XML

2010-04-29 Thread Peter Corlett
On 29 Apr 2010, at 12:09, David Cantrell wrote: [...] Last time I had to use SOAP, the libraries in use at either end couldn't handle some data structures we needed. The solution? CSV, uuencoded, as a blob in SOAP. Blimey, your SOAP implementations must have been bad if CSV was an

Re: XML

2010-04-29 Thread Daniel Pittman
Peter Corlett ab...@cabal.org.uk writes: On 29 Apr 2010, at 12:09, David Cantrell wrote: [...] Last time I had to use SOAP, the libraries in use at either end couldn't handle some data structures we needed. The solution? CSV, uuencoded, as a blob in SOAP. Blimey, your SOAP implementations

Re: XML

2010-04-29 Thread H.Merijn Brand
On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 21:53:16 +1000, Daniel Pittman dan...@rimspace.net wrote: Peter Corlett ab...@cabal.org.uk writes: On 29 Apr 2010, at 12:09, David Cantrell wrote: [...] Last time I had to use SOAP, the libraries in use at either end couldn't handle some data structures we needed.

Re: XML

2010-04-29 Thread Jarkko Hietaniemi
What about the fact that everything in CSV is a STRING? That there is no difference between an empty field and an undefined field and that Microsoft (sorry, they keep fucking things up) Excel converts everything that looks like a date to a US date, even if correctly formatted as ISO, so

Re: XML

2010-04-29 Thread Peter Corlett
On 29 Apr 2010, at 13:53, H.Merijn Brand wrote: [...] See that we can deduce ALL hate to be blamable to Microsoft :) Eventually we can find the relation between something going wrong or counter-intuitive to be Microsoft's fault. I like that! Is it also Microsoft's fault that you (and other

GNU

2010-04-29 Thread H.Merijn Brand
1. libtool nuf said 2. GNU gcc up to and including 3.4.6 you only needed GNU gcc source code to build gcc. With a little bit of persistence, it would even be possible to build gcc starting with another ANSI C-compiler, e.g. HP-UX C-ANSI-C. Now with gcc-4, it depends on GMP

Re: GNU

2010-04-29 Thread Jarkko Hietaniemi
2. GNU gcc   up to and including 3.4.6 you only needed GNU gcc source code to   build gcc. With a little bit of persistence, it would even be   possible to build gcc starting with another ANSI C-compiler, e.g.   HP-UX C-ANSI-C.   Now with gcc-4, it depends on GMP and MPFR   That already sucks

Re: GNU

2010-04-29 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 10:53:09AM -0400, Jarkko Hietaniemi wrote: 2. GNU gcc   up to and including 3.4.6 you only needed GNU gcc source code to   build gcc. With a little bit of persistence, it would even be   possible to build gcc starting with another ANSI C-compiler, e.g.   HP-UX

Re: XML

2010-04-29 Thread Michael G Schwern
On 2010.4.29 5:58 AM, Peter Corlett wrote: On 29 Apr 2010, at 13:53, H.Merijn Brand wrote: [...] See that we can deduce ALL hate to be blamable to Microsoft :) Eventually we can find the relation between something going wrong or counter-intuitive to be Microsoft's fault. I like that! Is it

Re: GNU

2010-04-29 Thread H.Merijn Brand
On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 15:59:55 +0100, Nicholas Clark n...@ccl4.org wrote: On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 10:53:09AM -0400, Jarkko Hietaniemi wrote: 2. GNU gcc   up to and including 3.4.6 you only needed GNU gcc source code to   build gcc. With a little bit of persistence, it would even be  

Re: GNU

2010-04-29 Thread Jarkko Hietaniemi
[1] http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=43941 It's your own source, so I don't think I have to include it. WORKING AS INTENDED. WILL NOT FIX. HTH. -- There is this special biologist word we use for 'stable'. It is 'dead'. -- Jack Cohen

Re: GNU

2010-04-29 Thread James Laver
On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 05:32:16PM +0200, H.Merijn Brand wrote: On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 15:59:55 +0100, Nicholas Clark n...@ccl4.org wrote: And only with unclaimed preconditions: ld: Unsatisfied symbol libiconv_open in file ../libcpp/libcpp.a[charset.o] ld: Unsatisfied symbol libiconv_close

Re: GNU

2010-04-29 Thread H.Merijn Brand
On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 16:06:34 +, James Laver j...@jameslaver.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 05:32:16PM +0200, H.Merijn Brand wrote: On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 15:59:55 +0100, Nicholas Clark n...@ccl4.org wrote: And only with unclaimed preconditions: ld: Unsatisfied symbol