Re: u-fo'etit or u-poetit

2005-03-23 Thread Joan C Biella
LC practice in, like, the last thirty or forty years has almost always been to treat "po'emah" and its derivatives as "naturalized" Hebrew, like "prozah." So I recommend "u-fo'etit." Joan >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/22/05 5:17 PM >>> Dear group, Would "vov,peh,vov,alef,tet,yud,tav" be transcribed

Re: u-fo'etit or u-poetit

2005-03-23 Thread Joan C Biella
This sounds all right, but perhaps more trouble than it's worth. Why not assume that a word is NOT an exception unless it is on a certain list (which we can maintain)--a list that so far, in my mind at least, consists only of "bibliyografyah" and "Polin." Maybe we could extend it to "any forei

Re: u-fo'etit or u-poetit

2005-03-23 Thread Joan C Biella
This one is not an exception to the usual rule for Hebrew words. --Joan >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/23/05 11:57 AM >>> I remember Mavet be-Furim. Shoshanah At 10:42 AM 3/23/2005, you wrote: >Offhand the only words I can recall that ARE treated exceptionally in >recent records are "bibliyografyah"

Re: u-fo'etit or u-poetit

2005-03-23 Thread shoshanah (rose) seidman
I remember Mavet be-Furim. Shoshanah At 10:42 AM 3/23/2005, you wrote: Offhand the only words I can recall that ARE treated exceptionally in recent records are "bibliyografyah" ("u-bibliyografyah") and "Polin" ("be-Polin"). Can anyone think of others? Joan >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/23/05 9:00 AM

Re: u-fo'etit or u-poetit

2005-03-23 Thread Heidi G. Lerner
Dear Daniel, I wonder if we should try and define what is meant by "exception". Perhaps we can suggest that if a foreign loan word appears in Even-Shoshan with a prefix, we would transcribe it as it appears. The example provided by Paul Maher as an exception is "u-frozah" which appears with a pr

Re: u-fo'etit or u-poetit

2005-03-23 Thread Joan C Biella
Offhand the only words I can recall that ARE treated exceptionally in recent records are "bibliyografyah" ("u-bibliyografyah") and "Polin" ("be-Polin"). Can anyone think of others? Joan >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/23/05 9:00 AM >>> Dear Heidi, I'm looking at p. 19 in Maher's Guide, where he writ

Re: u-fo'etit or u-poetit

2005-03-23 Thread Daniel Lovins
Dear Heidi, I'm looking at p. 19 in Maher's Guide, where he writes: "A few loan words are also treated as though exempt from the rules governing the aspiration/non-aspiration of b/v, k/kh, and p/f when preceeded by an open syllable." Since this applies only to exceptions, and, though the guidel

u-fo'etit or u-poetit

2005-03-22 Thread Heidi G. Lerner
Dear group, Would "vov,peh,vov,alef,tet,yud,tav" be transcribed as "u-po'etit" or "u-fo'etit". I am guessing "u-po'etit" but would like to hear from others. Thanks, Heidi Heidi G. Lerner Hebraica/Judaica Cataloger Catalog Dept. Stanford Univ. Libraries Stanford, CA 94305-6004 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTE