Re: Joint statement on the GNU Project

2019-10-30 Thread ison
On Wed, Oct 30, 2019, Thompson, David wrote: > Stop sending these incoherent essay length rants to the Guix mailing > lists. You've made your point dozens of times. Thanks in advance. > > - Dave > I find his email to be extremely coherent, lucid, on point, and hardly containing any elements

Re: Joint statement on the GNU Project

2019-10-30 Thread Thompson, David
Stop sending these incoherent essay length rants to the Guix mailing lists. You've made your point dozens of times. Thanks in advance. - Dave

Re: Joint statement on the GNU Project

2019-10-30 Thread Jean Louis
* Richard Stallman [2019-10-30 03:04]: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > I am calling those who have

Re: Joint statement on the GNU Project

2019-10-30 Thread Richard Stallman
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > I am calling those who have integrity to resign from GNU project, that > is

Re: Thoughts on the Joint statement on the GNU Project

2019-10-14 Thread Richard Stallman
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] Selam G is a frantic person who misunderstood my words. Perhaps she did not know

Re: Thoughts on the Joint statement on the GNU Project

2019-10-13 Thread Ruben Safir
> > Unfortunately, both Selam Gano Seam Gano is pound scum. If I could think of a better term I would. > The statement claims that Stallman has been alienating a large part of > the target audience. People have said that for decades but nobody made a petition on a major Gnu Project. > It

Thoughts on the Joint statement on the GNU Project

2019-10-13 Thread Tirifto
Hello all! A week ago, ‘Joint statement on the GNU Project’ [0] was published and raised some controversy within the GNU community. I'd like to share some thoughts on that, because I think the presentation of the statement could be improved to forego many bad impressions. Myself, I've been a GNU

Re: Joint statement on the GNU Project

2019-10-12 Thread Jean Louis
* Wilson Bustos [2019-10-10 22:52]: > P, > > And even before this incident, I've seen people say they don't want to > get into free software because of Stallman's behaviour and because people > defend him from any criticism. > So, why didn't you do anything before? why now? If it was a real issue

Re: Joint statement on the GNU Project

2019-10-12 Thread Pierre-Henry F.
Dear Jean-Louis, Could you please stop sending messages to the channel? Thanks, PHF Envoyé depuis ProtonMail mobile Message d'origine On 12 oct. 2019 à 14:19, Jean Louis a écrit : > * Quiliro Ordóñez [2019-10-11 01:27]: >> * Ricardo Wurmus [2019-10-10 07:09]: >> > I have

Re: Joint statement on the GNU Project

2019-10-12 Thread Jean Louis
oftware, he is free to do what he wish. However, the fact that Ludovic Courtès is not a public proponent of free software and that he never mentioned free software movements and importances of it, that I know, does not qualify him, does not make him trusted to say what he said on: https://guix.

Re: Joint statement on the GNU Project

2019-10-12 Thread Jean Louis
* Quiliro Ordóñez [2019-10-11 01:27]: > * Ricardo Wurmus [2019-10-10 07:09]: > > I have previously asked you privately to stop spamming our mailing > > lists. I am asking you a second time publicly. If you keep disrupting > > our mailing lists your posts will be moderated. > > Censorship is

Re: Joint statement on the GNU Project

2019-10-12 Thread Jean Louis
o-feminist politics have published their pro-feminist statement here: https://guix.gnu.org/blog/2019/joint-statement-on-the-gnu-project/ and have not openly said what it is, neither stated the fact, but tried to bring GNU community down for reasons of Thoughtcrime[1]. Ludovic Courtès said to me that reason

Re: Joint statement on the GNU Project

2019-10-12 Thread Jean Louis
Dear Ludovic, Hello, how are you? I was on long travel, could not answer you earlier. * Ludovic Courtès [2019-10-10 16:29]: > Hi Jean-Louis, > > Jean Louis skribis: > > > * Ricardo Wurmus [2019-10-10 07:09]: > >> I have previously asked you privately to stop spamming our mailing > >> lists.

Re: Joint statement on the GNU Project

2019-10-12 Thread Jean Louis
* Svante Signell [2019-10-10 22:23]: > On Thu, 2019-10-10 at 19:22 +, Jean Louis wrote: > > > > > > > Your problem is that you published this statement to guix-devel. If > > > you don't mind, I'll forward your mail to gnu-system-discuss, which > > > is the appropriate mailing list. > > > >

Re: Joint statement on the GNU Project

2019-10-11 Thread quiliro
On Fri, October 11, 2019 3:03 am, Ludovic Courtès wrote: > Hi Quiliro, > > Quiliro Ordóñez skribis: > >> * Ricardo Wurmus [2019-10-10 07:09]: >>> I have previously asked you privately to stop spamming our mailing >>> lists. I am asking you a second time publicly. If you keep disrupting >>> our

Re: Joint statement on the GNU Project

2019-10-11 Thread Todor Kondić
On Friday, 11 October 2019 01:27, Quiliro Ordóñez wrote: > * Ricardo Wurmus rek...@elephly.net [2019-10-10 07:09]: > > > I have previously asked you privately to stop spamming our mailing > > lists. I am asking you a second time publicly. If you keep disrupting > > our mailing lists your posts

Re: Joint statement on the GNU Project

2019-10-10 Thread Quiliro Ordóñez
* Ricardo Wurmus [2019-10-10 07:09]: > I have previously asked you privately to stop spamming our mailing > lists. I am asking you a second time publicly. If you keep disrupting > our mailing lists your posts will be moderated. Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication, or

Re: Joint statement on the GNU Project

2019-10-10 Thread P
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Thursday, October 10, 2019 7:22 PM, Jean Louis wrote: > > Your problem is that you published this statement to guix-devel. If you > > don't mind, I'll forward your mail to gnu-system-discuss, which is the > > appropriate mailing list. > > I don't mind. > >

Re: Joint statement on the GNU Project

2019-10-10 Thread Svante Signell
On Thu, 2019-10-10 at 19:22 +, Jean Louis wrote: > > > > Your problem is that you published this statement to guix-devel. If > > you don't mind, I'll forward your mail to gnu-system-discuss, which > > is the appropriate mailing list. > > I don't mind. Sorry Jean Louis, I was addressing

Re: Joint statement on the GNU Project

2019-10-10 Thread Vasya Boytsov
I kindly ask to remove this statement from the Guix site. It's inappropriate, it's poisonous for the community (you can see this clearly now). Anyone can have their own opinion in this discussion, but _PLEASE_ can we divide OS development and politics? There are more appropriate places to post

Re: Joint statement on the GNU Project

2019-10-10 Thread Wilson Bustos
P, > And even before this incident, I've seen people say they don't want to get into free software because of Stallman's behaviour and because people defend him from any criticism. So, why didn't you do anything before? why now? If it was a real issue that would happen in before, not now. > Don't

Re: Joint statement on the GNU Project

2019-10-10 Thread Jean Louis
Problem is that such statements shall be valid all including for those who created defamatory statements on Guix.GNU.org Guix shall be hartass-free, but it is not, it is outrageous! Jean

Re: Joint statement on the GNU Project

2019-10-10 Thread Svante Signell
On Thu, 2019-10-10 at 16:29 +0200, Ludovic Courtès wrote: > Hi Jean-Louis, > You’ve made your point now; I see you’ve even set up a web page to > collect hatred messages against me. > > I ask you to stop using the Guix mailing lists for this now. I will > propose to the Guix maintainers to put

Re: Joint statement on the GNU Project

2019-10-10 Thread Jean Louis
>Your problem is that you published this statement to guix-devel. If you >don't mind, I'll forward your mail to gnu-system-discuss, which is the >appropriate mailing list. I don't mind. Guix developers published biased and factless defamation of RMS on Guix pages. I have told my concerns to

Re: Joint statement on the GNU Project

2019-10-10 Thread Jean Louis
I have no hate against you and never had. Observe the log. You stated with defamation and FUD, not me. Your censorship policy is already well known. So block, I don't mind. You are not answering with facts but bringing more and more fear, uncertainty, and doubts into your own space and

Re: Joint statement on the GNU Project

2019-10-10 Thread Stefan Huchler
Ludovic Courtès writes: > Hi Jean-Louis, > > Jean Louis skribis: > >> * Ricardo Wurmus [2019-10-10 07:09]: >>> I have previously asked you privately to stop spamming our mailing >>> lists. I am asking you a second time publicly. If you keep disrupting >>> our mailing lists your posts will be

Re: Joint statement on the GNU Project

2019-10-10 Thread Jean Louis
* František Kučera [2019-10-07 17:14]: > > Hello Guix! > > > > We, a group of GNU maintainers sharing a vision for a stronger GNU > > Project, are publishing this statement today: > > > >https://guix.gnu.org/blog/2019/joint-statement-on-the-gnu-proje

Re: Joint statement on the GNU Project

2019-10-10 Thread Jean Louis
* Ricardo Wurmus [2019-10-10 07:09]: > I have previously asked you privately to stop spamming our mailing > lists. I am asking you a second time publicly. If you keep disrupting > our mailing lists your posts will be moderated. I cannot expect anything else from you. Jean

Re: Joint statement on the GNU Project

2019-10-10 Thread Jean Louis
* Dimakakos Dimos [2019-10-08 12:38]: > On the subject, I think that the discussion of rms's position in GNU is > valid but that at the same time such an announcment should be made after > a careful consideration and research. There was no public discussion. I am not against their opinion, and

Re: Joint statement on the GNU Project

2019-10-10 Thread Jean Louis
* Andy Wingo [2019-10-09 11:49]: > For what it is worth, I have some personal answers to some of these > questions here: > > https://wingolog.org/archives/2019/10/08/thoughts-on-rms-and-gnu I am appreciating that you are publishing your opinions beyond the GUIX.GNU.ORG and GNU.ORG domains.

Re: Joint statement on the GNU Project

2019-10-10 Thread Jean Louis
* Ludovic Courtès [2019-10-07 17:41]: > Hi František, and welcome, > > (I’m willing to answer questions like I wrote, but if we are to have a > more in-depth conversation, I think we should not abuse guix-devel for > that.) Now is too late, you are the one who abused Guix, and you should step

Re: Joint statement on the GNU Project

2019-10-10 Thread Ludovic Courtès
Hi Jean-Louis, Jean Louis skribis: > * Ricardo Wurmus [2019-10-10 07:09]: >> I have previously asked you privately to stop spamming our mailing >> lists. I am asking you a second time publicly. If you keep disrupting >> our mailing lists your posts will be moderated. > > I cannot expect