wards Extensibility
Neal H. Walfield
- Interactions in a Multiserver Operating System: The Importance of a
good RPC Framework
Marcus Brinkmann
- L4/Hurd driver model
Peter 'p2' De Schrijver
- GRUB 2
Marco Gerards
- Debian GNU/Hurd
Michael Banc
> > settrans -ag /cdrom
>
> The option -g only works when setting a passive translator to replace
> an active translator. the point of those options is what do you do
> with the active translator that is still running.
This is wrong. -ag tells the active translator to go away.
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> Am Mo, 2004-08-09 um 16.52 schrieb pietro:
> > does the < 2gb partition size limit applies to ufs too?
> ( I assume you mean > 2 gb .. )
>
> The filesystem itsself is not limited to those "little" sizes.
The limitation is because the w
At Sun, 15 Feb 2004 23:40:16 +0100,
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>
> Hi!
>
> Some of us had been talking about arranging a Hurd Hacker Meeting;
> proposed location being my home (about in the middle between Frankfurt
> and Karlsruhe); proposed date being the 9th, 10th and 11th of April
> this year,
> I suspect that what's happening too. The trouble is that
> liboskit_dev.a hasn't changed!
liboskit_dev.a(foo.o) provides several functions. You provide a
module which reimplements a subset of these functions. Your kernel
uses the reimplemented functions and the regular functions. When
libosk
> Also, does anyone know what is meant by the 'size' of a function
> symbol? Ie, "/usr/bin/ld: Warning: size of symbol `osenv_wakeup'
> changed from 26 to 42 in
> /usr/local/lib/oskit/../liboskit_dev.a(sleep.o)". What does the size
> mean? Reading the ELF spec hasn't helped me with this, nor has
> I have French and German translations of hurd-install-guide.html on the
> CDs and I would welcome a Spanish translation.
http://walfield.org/papers/hurd-installation-guide/spanish
Although, it is a bit out of date.
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> i have translate the Hurd-Installation-Guide from Neal H. Walfield
> to german so this post is writing in german, sorry :)
Thanks, but if you want it to be integrated it, you will need to
translate the texinfo file.
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> I was quite
> perplexed about the trivfs_S_io_read section in which
> you mmap a buffer for the data, but you don't have to
> free it. So I scoured the 'Net, and found out that
> this is the way it is supposed to work; someone else
> will free the memory for me.
That someone is Mach. What happ
I have read through it. Great job; I encourage you to continue.
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> If the server could install the
> mapping directly into the user's task, that would probably be better for
> performance
Why? Not only would this require a system trap, but there are many
trust issues which you would need to resolve. Anyway, pager_memcpy
only uses memcpy (as opposed to the far
> File system pagers are never mapped into the filesystem address space. The
> filesystem pagers exist solely for user mappings, and for read/write
> operations via pager_memcpy (see libdiskfs/rdwr-internal.c). As there is no
> mapping, there is no need to protect against signals when accessing
>
> > Did you compile with optimizations on? If not, you should have.
>
> Yes I did. But does it make a difference regarding the error?
It should not.
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> In the reply Neal Walfield told me that my CUT and PASTE are
> broken.I perceive this to be meant as my cut and paste bin
> programs(?).I have tested these two programs and they work
> individually on my hurd-box.If they are broken what do I do,or how
> do I find out this?
No, you misunderstood
> Probably this is the same as an earlier report of mine[1]. I think
> ext2fs doesn't cope well with block sizes different than 4096: try
> passing `-b 4096 -o hurd' to `mke2fs'.
Nope. There is a gratuitous space and he used single quotes if lieu
of back ticks.
> [1] http://mail.gnu.org/piperma
> I was reading the ext2fs sourcecode and have a question about it. Ext2fs
> uses pokel_* functions. Can someone please explain me what a pokel is and
> what it is used for in ext2fs?
Briefly, it is a way to remember modifications to memory regions. For
details, look at ext2fs/pokel.c.
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> Is there any bright brains around with a lightening-answer to this?
Your cut and paste are broken.
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> Quick question: Is there a way I can get a log of the "handshaking"
> that's going on, meaning the chat-type messages as well as the
> pap/chap exchanges? This way I might be able to debug the
> problem faster. Nothing got written into /var/log/ppp.log when
> I tried this (that file remained em
Even if you setup ppp correct, you will not be able to use the serial
ports at speeds greater than ~4800 bps. This requires fixes to the
drivers.
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> Anyone else know the status of getting these compiled and functional?
We need to be able to send to the DHCP server with ip address 0.0.0.0.
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The hacked Linux tcp/ip does not currently support dhcp.
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In what context? Do you mean, for instance, libdiskfs' hard and weak
reference counting system?
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What version of the Hurd package did you use and which tarball?
What version of e2progs? If you have not deleted it yet, could you
send the output of `/sbin/tune2fs -l /dev/hda3' (assuming hda3 is the
partition you were using for the Hurd).
Thanks.
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> Should it be more complicated?
Nope.
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> I've run fsck on that partition from GNU/Linux,
How do you fsck the extended partition?
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> All right. But never try to debug a program that has been compiled with
> optimization or you'll get confused on what happens (I asked about it not long
> ago).
You just need to understand that there are optimizations.
> And what do you mean by "depends on that"?
For instance, functions will
> I'm doing a research project on Hurd and I need
> detailed information on how Hurd handles or implement
> - process and thread,
> - scheduling with scheduling algorithms
> - synchronization,
> - deadlocks,
> - memory management, and
> - I/O
> I would appreciate any form of information. If you
> > > While with serverboot I have no problems.
> > >
> > > What could be the reason?
> >
> > The most likely reason is getting the kernel line
> > wrong.
>
> No actually I have also got the same problem when give
> module command 2 times...its a kernel panic..
>
> but with serverboot.gz i
For those interested:
> Ah, cool. I didn't know about the one in Paris,
http://mail.gnu.org/pipermail/hurdfr-paris/
> and I guess reports
> of the death of the HUG in Boston were exagerated. =)
http://mail.gnu.org/pipermail/boston-hurd/
But, yes, it could use some some resuscitation.
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> While with serverboot I have no problems.
>
> What could be the reason?
The most likely reason is getting the kernel line wrong.
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> > So Jim, how far is the University of Waterloo from York University?
> > Hope you can make it to the Debconf 2 this year in Toronto. I'm
> > looking forward to it. It would be nice to have a strong Hurder
> > presence.
>
> THUS, the Toronto-(area) (GNU/)Hurd Users Group is, I beleive, the
> o
> and system hangs up.
> What's wrong?
Again, you need to show us some more details. For instance, your
menu.lst file.
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> > What should we use instead of serverboot.gz?
>
> gnumach.gz, i hope
No. ext2fs.static and exec.
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> > > This will do
> >
> > serverboot is being phased out. Do not use it.
>
> What should we use instead of serverboot.gz?
It is all described in the installation manual which you can find by
going to http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd.
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> grub> root(hd0,5)
>
> grub> kernel /boot/gnumach.gz device=/dev/hd0s6
>
> grub> module /boot/serverboot.gz
>
> grub> boot
>
>
> This will do
serverboot is being phased out. Do not use it.
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> /dev/hda6 1091 1613 4200966 63 GNU HURD or SysV
You need to use type 83.
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> > Then grub is having some kind of problem reading your partition
> > table/partition.
>
> Well, that word 'some' is the reason i'm mailing here.
Well, without some more details, it is very difficult to give you some
more help.
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Then grub is having some kind of problem reading your partition
table/partition.
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> Of course, i have untgz-ed gnu-latest.tar.gz into the root of my
> /dev/hda6.
Well, is /boot/gnumach.gz under /dev/hda6?
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> Modem devices works on the Hurd?
No. GNU Mach has problems with serial devices.
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> I have a very preliminary port to Alpha (it compiles but does not completely
> boot)--what (if any) requirements are there for such a submission to the
> gnumach CVS tree, and how does one obtain such access?
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> I'm having some trouble downloading "large" files over the network. When
> making an ftp get on files larger than say 50K, the kernel panics. It's
> hard to be more specific given the shortness of the message. If it has any
> relevance, copying large files within the filesystem works fine.
No
> How can I filter the Hurd's mailing list using procmail?
You can start by reading the procmail documentation.
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> I got through the installation and down to rebooting in multiuser, but I'm
> getting messages that my partition needs to have e2fsck run on it with the
> -b switch. I ran e2fsck on it from Debian and it seems fine.
Maybe you need to make an entry for the file system in /dev?
> Sorry to be so
> Then at the first pass, I get some pipe errors, eg:
>
> /usr/sbin/tzconfig: cannot make pipes for command substitution: (ipc/mig)
> bad request message ID
> ...
Sounds like pflocal is not setup correctly.
> and a lot of settrans operations fail (eg:
> settrans -cg ttyqu
> settrans: ttyqu: Ope
> kernel /boot/gnumach.gz root=hd0s3
This is your problem. Reread this part of the guide.
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> While trying to compile a port of GNUMach to Alpha on Debian Linux, the
> build process complains that it cannot find the program "mig"--where can I
> find the source code for mig?
Use cvs and download the mig module from [1].
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> After burning them I installed from
> the first onto a 5GB test partition on my system.
This is your problem; do not use anything greater than about a
gigabyte.
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> What I'm wondering is how to set a translator on a file when
> the file is created.
You would need to write a translator that acts when a file is
created. For instance for a libdiskfs based translator, you would do
this in diskfs_lookup when TYPE is CREATE.
> So here is an example /hurd/cras
Stubs are provided for libthreads. The stubs (which are linked in if
an explicit request to link against libthreads is not added) should be
used for single threaded applications using multithreaded libraries
(such as libtrivfs). Multithreaded applications cannot safely use the
stubs; they obviou
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> fortune translator and also more useful translators such as a tar+gzip/bzip2
> translator which would allow to `mount' an archive.
>
> Has anyone implemented the latter? Is there somewhere a list of the available
> translators (beside the system translators)?
For gzip files, use:
sett
> Note that our current glibc implementation (stdlib/canonicalize.c) will
> hardcode a fixed max size of 1024 for the string returned by realpath if
> PATH_MAX and pathconf don't indicate a limit.
This is an implementation detail and must be ignored, in fact, it
could change.
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> Second, there are bootstrap issues. The loader is loaded directly from
> the root filesystem, so you have to link the root filesystem
> statically.
Nope. ext2fs.static and /lib/ld.so.1 are both loaded by Grub.
The reason that ext2fs is a static binary is that we would have a
chicken and egg
>> I think ftpfs is the only translator in the hurd source that uses
>> libnetfs.
>
> And NFS.
And hostmux and usermux...
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> I'd like to understand why hurd doesn't support larger partitions than 2
> gb.
More like 1 gigabyte.
> Is the problem in gnumach? Is it in the ext2 translator?
The ext2fs.
> Can someone explain me where this limitation is?
Limited virtual memory;
> > I subscribe to this list. I'm getting a bit exasperated by the large
>> amount of spam which occurs.
>>
>> Can the list be moderated? If no one else is willing, I'd be willing
>> to volunteer, if it were possible for me to act as moderator.
>
> You're right! I think that the list should be mo
> If MAKEDEV isn't working, try to use mknod instead.
How will this help? kdb is a translator.
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> When i try to mount the CD with
>
> settrans -a /cdrom /hurd/isofs /dev/hd2
>
> i get the following errors:
>
> /hurd/isofs: Could not find valid superblock
> settrans: /hurd/isofs : Translator died
Did you actually make the /dev/hd2 device?
> nano editor is not working well, it is getting loa
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> My question is why this would happen? serverboot is only used on
> boot right? So how would it change while the system is running?
This is quite strange. All that I can think of is bad ram.
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> Is there any place that will list the x* functions such as
> xmalloc, xrealloc. Are these functions actually in any libraries
> or would a programmer have to create a file for each program that
> has each of these functions?
A programmer would have to write them explicitly.
> Which list
> but I got the following error:
>
> I edited the file '/usr/bin/mig' and changed
> default_cc=''i386-gnu-gcc'' to default_cc=''gcc-3.0''
> and tried to compile again, getting the errors:
No one has tested gcc 3.0 yet.
> ld -Ttext 10 -o kernel kernel.o clib-routines.o
> clib-routin
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> does the size of the ios
> need to be a factor of the block size?
This is correct.
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> I am currently trying to learn how to write translator and I have used the
> trans/hello.c and trans/hello-mt.c files.
> I didn't have any problem with trans/hello.c but the trans/hello-mt.c
> doesn't work.
> I managed to compile it using gcc -g -o hello-mt hello-mt.c -ltrivfs
> -lfshelp -lports
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> Neal H Walfield wrote:
> >
> > > My client wants to share a block of memory with the server. The
> > > client allocates the memory, and sends it to the server. The problem
> > > is that the o
> My client wants to share a block of memory with the server. The
> client allocates the memory, and sends it to the server. The problem
> is that the out-of-line memory will be treated as copy-on-write,
> right? Is there some simple way of getting them to share the memory
> read-and-write?
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On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 08:00:56PM +0800, Dou Minggang wrote:
> Hello,everyone!
> I will install HURD.I don't have GNU/linux or BSD,but I have linux boot floppies,
> (Boot disk and Root disk).Can I install HURD with linux boot floppies?
Use the cd iso.
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> I'm not certain if this was brought up before or not. Basically
> here's my options: I can compile over NFS using a 486 as root or I can try
> and build the cross compiler as a user. Thus far the directions in the
> H
On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 04:01:02PM -0500, Igor Shmukler wrote:
> I got mach to work, thanks.
> Now, I am trying to build hurd.
> I used autoconf to create configure from configure.in
> if I do a
> $make -k it starts going in circles
> Regular make just tells me:
> no rule to make target hurd.h ne
> I tried installing Hurd on another computer (48 MB ram) but i get always an
> error message :
>
> panic: cannot load user-bootstrap image: error code 600
>
> what does it means ?
It sounds like your serverboot is messed up.
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> Where do I get gnumach.gz and serverboot.gz?
> hurd 0.2 tarball does not have those.
I think you want the 2925 snapshot tarball. I have not seen the
hurd 0.2 tarball, however, I imagine that it is very old.
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> I installed Hurd on a i486 computer with 4MB RAM using the large tarball. But
> at single-user boot iget the following error message :
>
> Kernel page fault at adress 0x154698, eip=0x14d482
> Kernel page fault trap, eip=0x14
On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 03:03:29AM -0500, Igor Shmukler wrote:
> I am trying cross-compile
> ./configure check host system then spits: this is gnu os, not linux gnu
> What should be done?
First, you should not be compiling in the source tree. Try:
# cd gnumach
# mkdir build
# ../configure ..
#
> cross-install aborts the installation after installing less and
> ed (optional packages), saying:
>
> ERROR: dpkg did return unusual messages, please investigate:
> INSTALLATION ABORTED!
>
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On Tue, Jan 09, 2001 at 05:22:06PM +0100, Peter Wiehe wrote:
> I get an error "No DNS Entry" with that URL
Sorry, http://subversions.gnu.org (with an s).
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> Where can I download GPL Mach sources?
http://subversion.gnu.org
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r something to give you
> the command prompt. My guess is that he's got something bootable where
> the GRUB disk is expecting it, and its trying to boot it instead of
> showing him the option screen. Unfortunately, I don't know enough about
> GRUB to help you out...
I see.
>
On Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 06:29:34AM -0500, Alan P. Laudicina wrote:
>
> Hey,
>
> Am I the only one that isn't getting the "five options" when booting
> grub-0.5.95.image? It automatically tries to boot sd0s1 (which isn't
> even there)! Thus, I have to give it a new partition, making it
> imposs
> Sorry, i still don't understand this.
>
> If i do a normal read() on a Trivfs translator, trivfs_S_io_read in my
> translator gets called. OK. But, in the read() call, i haven't
> specified a datalen. Now, at which point does this datalen parameter
> get "created"?
>
> I guess, it's a quiet si
On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 12:51:44AM +0100, Moritz Schulte wrote:
> Hi,
>
> can anybody please explain me what this 'data_len' parameter in
> trivfs_S_io_read() trans/hello.c is for?
>
> Where does it come from?
How much data is in the array DATA; this does not have to match amount
nor the size of
On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 10:17:24AM -0600, Jonathan Bartlett wrote:
> This is not meant as a flame - I'm just curious. I thought that since
> Mach was a Microkernel, the device drivers would be implemented as
> external processes, like HURD's other drivers. However, it seems that
> they are compi
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> Is anybody working on an iso9660 fs for hurd? If not, I'd
> like to try it out. Or is it all done and I'm just ranting?
Just ranting.
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University of Massachusetts at Lowell
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