Re: creating a segfault in a translator (on purpose)

2003-02-05 Thread Richard Kreuter
On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 03:20:00PM -0500, Neal H. Walfield wrote: > Yes, dumping core is a great way to kill Mach. This is a known > problem. Try disabling core dumps (i.e. set core server to kill > processes or suspend them). Shouldn't native-install refrain from setting 'crash --dump-core' the

Re: Inheritance of "/", auth and proc handles

2002-12-20 Thread Richard Kreuter
On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 08:17:57PM +0100, Ludovic Court?s wrote: > On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 10:04:57AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > > BTW, what's the reason for the poem that is just above file_chauthor in > fs.defs? :) To make hackers groan.

Re: installation error

2002-10-06 Thread Richard Kreuter
On Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 12:41:39AM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I got a strange installation error, the same on three computers Some of the errors you've posted are known bugs: this one, end_request: I/O error, dev 03:04, sector 28 is a bogus error message that will occur in case a hard

Floppy store size

2002-09-24 Thread Richard Kreuter
Thanks in advance, Richard Kreuter ___ Help-hurd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/help-hurd

Re: Running several instances of an fs server...

2002-05-24 Thread Richard Kreuter
On Fri, May 24, 2002 at 04:31:00PM +0200, Wolfgang Jährling wrote: > Ludovic Courtès <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Since filesystems can be `mounted' in users directories, serveral > > users of the same machine are very likely to mount the same > > filesystem in their own home dir, so that's an i

Re: Hurd FS hierarchy in FHS.

2002-05-22 Thread Richard Kreuter
On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 08:09:28PM +0200, Gerhard Muntingh wrote: > I'm sorry to spoil the pleasure, but I don't think there's > reason to include the recent proposed GNU addition to the > FHS. I bet there are reasons not to include the recently proposed GNU annex, and even that there are reaso

Re: Hurd FS hierarchy (was Re: LD_LIBRARY_PATH troubles)

2002-05-21 Thread Richard Kreuter
On Mon, May 20, 2002 at 07:48:38PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > Richard Kreuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > At this point, though, the draft doesn't point out any distinctions > > between GNU and GNU/Linux systems, so the whole thing can be drop

Re: Hurd FS hierarchy (was Re: LD_LIBRARY_PATH troubles)

2002-05-20 Thread Richard Kreuter
On Mon, May 20, 2002 at 07:51:02PM +0200, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: > On Mon, May 20, 2002 at 12:50:08AM -0700, Grant Bowman wrote: > > Richard Kreuter wasted others' time writing: > > > This is the annex for the GNU operating system. We sometimes refer > > > to

Re: Hurd FS hierarchy (was Re: LD_LIBRARY_PATH troubles)

2002-05-12 Thread Richard Kreuter
On Sun, May 12, 2002 at 06:17:30PM -0400, Richard Kreuter wrote: > On Sun, May 12, 2002 at 06:06:06PM +0200, Robert Millan wrote: > > On Sun, May 12, 2002 at 04:33:37PM -0400, Richard Kreuter wrote: > > > Here's a redraft based on the discussion over the last day or >

Re: Hurd FS hierarchy (was Re: LD_LIBRARY_PATH troubles)

2002-05-12 Thread Richard Kreuter
On Sun, May 12, 2002 at 06:06:06PM +0200, Robert Millan wrote: > On Sun, May 12, 2002 at 04:33:37PM -0400, Richard Kreuter wrote: > > Here's a redraft based on the discussion over the last day or > > so. > > > > The GNU system has been designed with a goal of pro

Re: Hurd FS hierarchy (was Re: LD_LIBRARY_PATH troubles)

2002-05-12 Thread Richard Kreuter
Here's a redraft based on the discussion over the last day or so. Same punctuation: +++ is stuff added since last time, <> for editorial remarks. --- The following things need to change in the FHS itself: 3.5.1 Grub may place its configuration file under /boot. 3.9.3 I'm not sure /lib/modules

Re: Hurd FS hierarchy (was Re: LD_LIBRARY_PATH troubles)

2002-05-12 Thread Richard Kreuter
On Sun, May 12, 2002 at 07:37:01PM +0200, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: > On Sun, May 12, 2002 at 01:09:08PM -0400, Richard Kreuter wrote: > > > On Sun, May 12, 2002 at 10:57:42AM +0200, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: > > (2) statically linked servers in /hurd may be named foo.static, so &g

Re: Hurd FS hierarchy (was Re: LD_LIBRARY_PATH troubles)

2002-05-12 Thread Richard Kreuter
On Sun, May 12, 2002 at 10:57:42AM +0200, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: > * Richard Kreuter writes: > > 6.2.x /hurd : The Hurd servers > > > /hurd contains the Hurd server binaries. Servers with .static appended > > to their name must be statically linked servers, servers with

Re: Hurd FS hierarchy (was Re: LD_LIBRARY_PATH troubles)

2002-05-12 Thread Richard Kreuter
On Sun, May 12, 2002 at 03:01:18AM +0200, Moritz Schulte wrote: > Richard Kreuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Two comments... > > > /servers/crash The node where the crash server translates. > > I am not a native speaker, but wouldn't be s/where/w

Re: Hurd FS hierarchy (was Re: LD_LIBRARY_PATH troubles)

2002-05-11 Thread Richard Kreuter
On Sat, May 11, 2002 at 05:45:06PM -0400, Richard Kreuter wrote: > On Sat, May 11, 2002 at 06:26:58PM +0200, Robert Millan wrote: > > On Sat, May 11, 2002 at 04:45:24PM -0400, Richard Kreuter wrote: > > > In the GNU system, /usr is a symbolic link to /. The / and /usr &

Re: Hurd FS hierarchy (was Re: LD_LIBRARY_PATH troubles)

2002-05-11 Thread Richard Kreuter
On Sat, May 11, 2002 at 06:26:58PM +0200, Robert Millan wrote: > On Sat, May 11, 2002 at 04:45:24PM -0400, Richard Kreuter wrote: > > > > 6.2.x /usr : Secondary Hierarchy > > > > In the GNU system, /usr is a symbolic link to /. The / and /usr > > Note that i

Re: Hurd FS hierarchy (was Re: LD_LIBRARY_PATH troubles)

2002-05-11 Thread Richard Kreuter
On Sun, May 05, 2002 at 06:05:41PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: > On Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 10:52:45PM -0500, Richard Kreuter wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 06:08:49PM +0100, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: > > > I think it would be nice to post the GNU things to the mailinglist &g

Re: Hurd FS hierarchy (was Re: LD_LIBRARY_PATH troubles)

2002-03-26 Thread Richard Kreuter
On Tue, Mar 26, 2002 at 01:00:12PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > Richard Kreuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Distributors wishing to maintain compatibility with non-GNU/Hurd > > systems may create symbolic links in the /sbin directory to these > > binar

Re: Hurd FS hierarchy (was Re: LD_LIBRARY_PATH troubles)

2002-03-25 Thread Richard Kreuter
On Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 06:08:49PM +0100, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: > I think it would be nice to post the GNU things to the mailinglist > before they'll release the next version, which will be soon. I've merged what I've understood from Thomas Bushnell's and Jeroen Dekkers's latest comments. I also

Re: Hurd FS hierarchy (was Re: LD_LIBRARY_PATH troubles)

2002-03-25 Thread Richard Kreuter
On Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 06:08:49PM +0100, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: > On Sun, Mar 24, 2002 at 06:35:29PM -0500, Richard Kreuter wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 24, 2002 at 10:16:06PM +0100, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: > > I think it would be nice to post the GNU things to the mailinglist > befo

Re: Hurd FS hierarchy (was Re: LD_LIBRARY_PATH troubles)

2002-03-25 Thread Richard Kreuter
On Sun, Mar 24, 2002 at 03:36:08PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > Richard Kreuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > The /com hierarchy should contain the following directories: > > > > /com/mail > > /com/spool/news > > <...what else?> &g

Re: Hurd FS hierarchy (was Re: LD_LIBRARY_PATH troubles)

2002-03-24 Thread Richard Kreuter
On Sun, Mar 24, 2002 at 10:16:06PM +0100, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: > > I recently saw another proposal on the FHS mailinglist: > /srv - data generated by users for the services the system offers > > It seemed that they agreed that is was right. Isn't this just a > special case of /com and should th

Re: Hurd FS hierarchy (was Re: LD_LIBRARY_PATH troubles)

2002-03-24 Thread Richard Kreuter
On Sun, Mar 24, 2002 at 12:24:07PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > > /var is for data that cannot be shared between different machines. /var/mail, /var/spool/news are shareable, no? The FHS states /var is for "variable" files. > Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >

Re: Hurd FS hierarchy (was Re: LD_LIBRARY_PATH troubles)

2002-03-24 Thread Richard Kreuter
On Sun, Mar 24, 2002 at 10:35:09AM -0600, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > > so what about /var/lib? (another directory I don't fully understand > > > the reasoning behind; I'm just throwing this out as an idea). > > > > /var/lib is for state information... > > exactly. from what I see,

Re: Hurd FS hierarchy (was Re: LD_LIBRARY_PATH troubles)

2002-03-24 Thread Richard Kreuter
b's are for libraries. As far as I can tell, the GNU coding standards would place the contents of /var/lib in /com. Maybe there are other subdirectories of /var whose contents would be in /com, too. Richard kreuter at ausar.rutgers.edu ___ H

Re: Hurd FS hierarchy (was Re: LD_LIBRARY_PATH troubles)

2002-03-20 Thread kreuter
On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 02:52:50PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > Richard Kreuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> prompted a little: > > On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 12:20:15AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > > > Andreas Voegele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > &g

Re: tarfs implementation

2002-03-19 Thread Richard Kreuter
On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 03:39:05PM +0100, Ludovic Courts wrote: > > Several people have recently talked about the potential security > risks implied by the use of a tarfs server. Since this is a quite > famous example, I'm wondering: has anyone already started > implementing it? If not, I would b

Re: Hurd FS hierarchy (was Re: LD_LIBRARY_PATH troubles)

2002-03-18 Thread Richard Kreuter
On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 11:35:36PM +0100, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: > On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 02:49:21PM -0500, Richard Kreuter wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 07:42:56PM +0100, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: > > > > > > Yes, but I can't find a rationale for the /sbin d

Re: Hurd FS hierarchy (was Re: LD_LIBRARY_PATH troubles)

2002-03-18 Thread Richard Kreuter
On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 07:42:56PM +0100, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: > On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 10:17:30AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > > Jeroen Dekkers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > Which purpose? Having to put /sbin for a lot of programs like parted > > > and traceroute? Or just for t

Re: Hurd FS hierarchy (was Re: LD_LIBRARY_PATH troubles)

2002-03-18 Thread Richard Kreuter
On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 05:34:33PM +0100, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: > On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 11:30:03AM -0500, Richard Kreuter wrote: > > > New, little stuff: > > > > For the GNU annex: several utilities are required for boot or > > restoration of GNU/Hurd, and

Re: Hurd FS hierarchy (was Re: LD_LIBRARY_PATH troubles)

2002-03-18 Thread Richard Kreuter
On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 12:02:16AM +0100, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: > On Sun, Mar 17, 2002 at 05:43:09PM -0500, Richard Kreuter wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 17, 2002 at 09:36:02PM +0100, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: > > > On Sun, Mar 17, 2002 at 03:31:16PM -0500, Richard Kreuter wrote: >

Re: Hurd FS hierarchy (was Re: LD_LIBRARY_PATH troubles)

2002-03-17 Thread Richard Kreuter
On Sun, Mar 17, 2002 at 09:36:02PM +0100, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: > On Sun, Mar 17, 2002 at 03:31:16PM -0500, Richard Kreuter wrote: > > > > "On a GNU system, the contents of a directory listing need not > > reside on a single volume; therefore directories may be created

Re: Hurd FS hierarchy (was Re: LD_LIBRARY_PATH troubles)

2002-03-17 Thread Richard Kreuter
On Sun, Mar 17, 2002 at 07:56:31PM +0100, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: > The following things need to change in the FSH itself: > 3.1 Prohibiting creating of subdirectories of the root filesystem is > too restrictrive, it should be discouraged Skip a couple of paragraphs down. > 6.2 GNU > > This

Re: Hurd FS hierarchy (was Re: LD_LIBRARY_PATH troubles)

2002-03-17 Thread Richard Kreuter
On Sun, Mar 17, 2002 at 02:25:08PM +0100, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: > On Sat, Mar 16, 2002 at 04:21:37PM -0500, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: > > Before we can really claim FHS compliance, I would guess that > > some things in the FHS have to change to cater for the Hurd. > > I already have some work on t

Re: Hurd FS hierarchy (was Re: LD_LIBRARY_PATH troubles)

2002-03-16 Thread Richard Kreuter
On Sat, Mar 16, 2002 at 11:55:40AM -0500, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: > On Sat, Mar 16, 2002 at 11:07:53AM -0500, Richard Kreuter wrote: > > The main difference at the moment between FHS and the hierarchy now > > used is that /usr is a symlink to /. > > The trick is that t

Hurd FS hierarchy (was Re: LD_LIBRARY_PATH troubles)

2002-03-16 Thread Richard Kreuter
how to use apt and another operating system to fetch and install packages, provided that both GNU/Hurd and the other operating system can access a shared filesystem. For now that means the other os has to be a GNU/Linux (may I suggest Debian :)) or a BSD. Hope that Helps, Richard kreuter at a

Re: new user questions

2002-03-13 Thread Richard Kreuter
host-priv-port=${host-port} --device-master-port=${device-port} --exec-server-task=${exec-task} -T typed ${root} $(task-create) module /ld.so.1 /hurd/exec $(exec-task=task-create) Note that that's five lines. Hope that helps, Richard kreuter at ausar.rutgers.edu ___ Help-hurd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/help-hurd

Re: new user questions

2002-03-12 Thread Richard Kreuter
e, I don't understand > how to manage that ?? What happens to you here? Anything? Make sure you got the characters all correct at the grub prompt; I've mistyped some a number of times :) Richard kreuter at ausar.rutgers.edu ___ H

Re: yet more newbie questions

2002-03-11 Thread Richard Kreuter
e added, then they ought to be added to oskit. Richard kreuter at ausar.rutgers.edu ___ Help-hurd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/help-hurd

Re: yet more newbie questions

2002-03-08 Thread kreuter
em on the disk. That this partition id is not used by the Hurd is documented in a few places, I think. Hope that helps Richard -- kreuter at ausar.rutgers.edu "...enough with one of the most diffuse overbearingnesses tied to the use of the electronic mail: "We can put aim