[Hibernate] Provision of source-only downloads for releases

2005-11-18 Thread Barry Hawkins
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hibernate Dev Team, Thanks for this wonderful tool. Apologies in advance if this topic has been discussed and I have missed it, but would it be feasible to have a source-only download for Hibernate releases starting with 3.1? Have there been logis

Re: [Hibernate] Provision of source-only downloads for releases

2005-11-18 Thread Christian Bauer
On Nov 18, 2005, at 9:27 PM, Barry Hawkins wrote: Have there been logistical issues in the past which have prevented this? This is very desirable for the Linux distributions packaging Hibernate. Why would a Linux distribution not be able to package the binary plus the source? ---

[Hibernate] Please help keep JIRA clean!

2005-11-18 Thread Gavin King
Guys,   I’d like to request that everyone here pitch in and be a bit more aggressive about closing off useless JIRA issues. JIRA is absolutely no use to us if it is clogged up with thousands of issues that no-one is going to look at in the next two years!   Remember, JIRA is for *our b

Re: [Hibernate] Provision of source-only downloads for releases

2005-11-18 Thread John Franey
Barry, Hibernate provides a source only distribution, accessible via CVS (not FTP or HTTP). See: http://www.hibernate.org/6.html John Barry Hawkins wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hibernate Dev Team, Thanks for this wonderful tool. Apologies in advance if this t

Re: [Hibernate] Please help keep JIRA clean! (comment for issue HHH-1005)

2005-11-18 Thread Leonardo Quijano Vincenzi
Gavin King wrote: Guys, I’d like to request that everyone here pitch in and be a bit more aggressive about closing off useless JIRA issues. JIRA is absolutely no use to us if it is clogged up with thousands of issues that no-one is going to look at in the next two years! Remember, JIRA is

Re: [Hibernate] Please help keep JIRA clean! (comment for issue HHH-1005)

2005-11-18 Thread Christian Bauer
On Nov 18, 2005, at 11:11 PM, Leonardo Quijano Vincenzi wrote: Yes, every report in JIRA deserves personalized response from the Hibernate Team. Not for support, but for giving it at least consideration! Wrong, that's what the developer list is for. I'd like to see the opinion of other Hi

RE: [Hibernate] Please help keep JIRA clean! (comment for issue HHH-1005)

2005-11-18 Thread Gavin King
> Now, I apologize for cloning the issue. I just found it rude and > inconsiderate for a commiter to close an issue without giving a proper > commentary. > Yes, every report in JIRA deserves personalized response from the > Hibernate Team. Not for support, but for giving it at least considerat

Re: [Hibernate] Please help keep JIRA clean! (comment for issue HHH-1005)

2005-11-18 Thread Leonardo Quijano Vincenzi
(this Thunderbird 1.5 keeps setting reply's to private e-mail addresses. I'll watch out for it). Yes, every report in JIRA deserves personalized response from the Hibernate Team. Not for support, but for giving it at least consideration! Wrong, that's what the developer list is for. Err... t

Re: [Hibernate] Please help keep JIRA clean! (comment for issue HHH-1005)

2005-11-18 Thread Leonardo Quijano Vincenzi
You said yourself that the modifications required for the issue were an extra 2 o 3 methods. I don't see the need for a full essay. I think you're very busy and that prevents you to really look at the issue. In that case you should leave it open until you have time for it, for the good of the pr

RE: [Hibernate] Please help keep JIRA clean! (comment for issue HHH-1005)

2005-11-18 Thread Gavin King
> But that's not the common approach to bug reports in open source projects. You might have noticed that we do things quite differently to many other projects. Too much "democracy" is a major reason why so many initially successful open source projects grind to a complete halt after maybe 2 years

Re: [Hibernate] Please help keep JIRA clean! (comment for issue HHH-1005)

2005-11-18 Thread Leonardo Quijano Vincenzi
Gavin King wrote: But that's not the common approach to bug reports in open source projects. You might have noticed that we do things quite differently to many other projects. Too much "democracy" is a major reason why so many initially successful open source projects grind to a complete h

Re: [Hibernate] Please help keep JIRA clean! (comment for issue HHH-1005)

2005-11-18 Thread Leonardo Quijano Vincenzi
Leonardo Quijano Vincenzi wrote: Gavin King wrote: Yes, but neglecting developer input is the other major reason of open source projects failure. I remember reading an essay about that, but right now I don't have much time to discuss it. (ohh I remember... it was the Cathedral and the Baz

RE: [Hibernate] Please help keep JIRA clean! (comment for issue HHH-1005)

2005-11-18 Thread Steve Ebersole
Yes, futile silly inane discussions such as this one kill my enthusiasm and interest a little bit every day... Tell you what: you run your project the way you want, I'll not interfere; ergo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leonardo Q

Re: [Hibernate] Please help keep JIRA clean! (comment for issue HHH-1005)

2005-11-18 Thread Leonardo Quijano Vincenzi
Steve Ebersole wrote: Yes, futile silly inane discussions such as this one kill my enthusiasm and interest a little bit every day... Tell you what: you run your project the way you want, I'll not interfere; ergo That's when you're not the one asking for attention to a problem. That's a

[Fwd: Re: [Hibernate] Provision of source-only downloads for releases]

2005-11-18 Thread Barry Hawkins
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 John Franey wrote: > Barry, > > Hibernate provides a source only distribution, accessible via CVS (not > FTP or HTTP). > > See: http://www.hibernate.org/6.html > > John [...] John, Yes, thanks. That is what I am using currently instead of manually

[Fwd: Re: [Hibernate] Provision of source-only downloads for releases]

2005-11-18 Thread Barry Hawkins
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Christian Bauer wrote: > > On Nov 18, 2005, at 9:27 PM, Barry Hawkins wrote: > >> Have there been logistical issues in the past which have prevented this? >> This is very desirable for the Linux distributions packaging Hibernate. > > Why would a Lin

[Fwd: Re: [Hibernate] Provision of source-only downloads for releases]

2005-11-18 Thread Barry Hawkins
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sorry gang, didn't realize the Reply-To: header was not being set on the mailing list. Forwarded the rest of the thread so hopefully nobody else will bother you guys with the same question. - Original Message Subject: Re: [Hibernate

RE: [Fwd: Re: [Hibernate] Provision of source-only downloads for releases]

2005-11-18 Thread Steve Ebersole
I tag CVS first, and then use that to do the build. So no problem there... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barry Hawkins Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 6:48 PM To: Hibernate devel Subject: [Fwd: Re: [Hibernate] Provision of source-only do

Re: [Fwd: Re: [Hibernate] Provision of source-only downloads for releases]

2005-11-18 Thread Barry Hawkins
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Steve Ebersole wrote: > I tag CVS first, and then use that to do the build. So no problem > there... Thanks Steve, that is helpful to know. Sounds like we can count on basing off of the CVS tags. Regards, - -- Barry Hawkins All Things Computed site:

[Hibernate] Criterias OUTER JOIN when using Alias - Subquery

2005-11-18 Thread Leonardo Quijano Vincenzi
Putting the political discussions aside, I've seen the topic of Criteria outer joining several times. JIRA issues: http://opensource2.atlassian.com/projects/hibernate/browse/HHH-214 (rejected) http://opensource2.atlassian.com/projects/hibernate/browse/HHH-1137 (open) h