James,
I don't think that would be workable. The system I developed works *because*
it's only for a small group of servers, and all of the admins know each
other. The users are basically a list of NZ ISPs, and we all trust each
other. Trust is very important in making a blacklist work.
If you t
I am for a project where I can run a shared ban list with several admins
I trust can run to form our own "server networks"... A whole new type
of server cluster for Half-Life.
-Original Message-
From: Eric Hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 6:34 PM
To: [EM
See thats the thing that they cover. If you were banned for no good reason
you can appeal through the website or an email address. It would need to be
part of the MOTD or sent to the users screen with a kicked by console
message so that the user knew. That way they could apeal and say they
weren'
The obvious problem with this is that skilled players are accused of h4x all the
time. My former roommate, for instance, was constantly banned from servers,
even from some otherwise reputable servers... I would not participate in an
open/general blacklist for this reason.
Eric (the Deacon remi
what worries me most (and is so damn typical of the PB team) is that they
filed a patent. probably SPECIFICALLY because they know that abandoning the
HL community will spawn alternatives.
considering how idiotic the patent office is about software, they might get
it for something like: a client
that's what md5 type checking is all about. they can "modify" the client
anyway.
- Original Message -
From: "accident" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 2:57 PM
Subject: RE: PB no more.
>
> I just want to drop 1 quick note and will discu
this system is something that works in theory but is open to incredible
abuse. the bottom line is, how do you categorically KNOW that someone is
cheating? sure, wallhackers who shoot through walls are easy to spot. but
what about wallhackers that just use the information to be more aware? an
Is your project a pre or post 1 wonid change? If its post, I would
consider joining in with it...
-Original Message-
From: Mirco Bauer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 5:43 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Punkbuster is dead?
yeah
I did a project lik
I just want to drop 1 quick note and will discuss anything privately
If its open source and a client/server app, then anyone can modify the
client to not detect the cheat.. I don't think this falls into the
normal.. I would be all for a server side open source project but I
wouldn't be able
yeah
I did a project like that 1 year ago already.
its called HLACS
Half-Life AntiCheat System
it works by itself... Admins enter bans and all servers are getting after
the 15 min the new version
I made a lil linux script and a Win32 client :)
but its at the moment down... btw it has already many
The best example I can give of PB to anyone not familiar is a virus
scanner... A group of volunteers take on the task of finding, checking,
and detecting the cheat in as quick of a fashion as possible.. Even
virus's that are slightly different get past virus scanners.. The
difference.. You do
i don't want to continue this argument on the list. it's the same argument
that all closed/open source pundits have all the time. i believe open
source is the way to go, you don't. i would like to be a part of an open
source project as an alternative to the closed source PunkBuster.
that's al
Well, my POS server (hey, you don't need to tell me my server sucks m'kay?
Just read all about it on the URL in my .sig) has a new life now. Yes
ladies and gents, as CS no longer runs decently on my server, we made the
switch to Tribes2.
I still suck at it, but I can play it under Linux (w00t!)
Thats not the point. I'm just going on here-say here but I think each
individual cheat is coded into Punkbuster. I'm sure the program has a couple
different ways of finding out if a cheat is installed. Things like checking
for registry changes a cheat makes, looking for the installation files,
PB had a large team behind it, I was actually one of them (a rather
silent linux consultant :) I am not sure why tony shut up shop yet, but
I can tell you he has been under significant financial and time strains
and from what I saw Valve was not willing to come to the party (they
even talked abou
Yep, this is the sort of thing I was thinking of.. It would be trivial to
output from a php file in the format of the banned.cfg file, and then all
you'd need to do would be to set up a cron job that does:
wget http://whaterver/banned.php > banned.txt
every 10 minutes or so..
I really think th
And where have you been? It IS more than just Tony Ray. He has a whole
team of programmers, cheat researchers, testers, etc etc...
It's NOT just one guy.
I've held my tongue through out most of this, in wait for a possible
rebuttal by Valve, as I refuse to base my thoughts and positioning off
that's wrong. that's like saying: knowing how openSSH works means you can
circumvent it. the best secure software has always been open source
software because of the amounts of eyes that review it.
besides, the source is just a tool. you don't NEED the source to find out
how something works.
Hello SQLBoy,
Tuesday, September 25, 2001, 9:34:39 PM, you wrote:
> It makes no sense to go open source. Since PB was basically reacting to
> cheats, if cheat coders had the source, they would know exactly how to
> circumvent the software.
Maybe it does not make sense to go open source, but i
Ryan, update your links (; Mine is now http://poo.foolclan.com/blacklist
BUT it may be coming down, as I'm still unsure if I will continue to support
hl/cs...
Ryan McCullough writes:
>
> Someone has something like this already. I don't recall the URL, I will dig
> for it. /me rumages
> http:/
Yo... the clan tag registry has been optional for a few months now
Anyway...
Personally, from what i gathered with my dealings with the PB team (pre and
post Mediator) it seems like they definitely wanted to head into a
commercially viable direction. That's probably the REAL reason they d
Someone has something like this already. I don't recall the URL, I will dig
for it. /me rumages
http://pbusted.cscentral.com/caughts.php
http://poo.foolclan.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi
http://quakest.xmission.com/banned.txt /some guys banned list, not proven
HERE IS THE ONE
http://guest:[
It makes no sense to go open source. Since PB was basically reacting to
cheats, if cheat coders had the source, they would know exactly how to
circumvent the software.
On Tuesday 25 September 2001 15:27, you wrote:
> > There has never been a chance that a "one man army" can get rid of
> > chea
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