Re: [homenet] New Version Notification for draft-grundemann-homenet-hipnet-01.txt

2013-03-15 Thread Acee Lindem
I think the draft is a bit optimistic with respect to its claim of satisfying homenet requirements. For example, there is a very limited set of multi-homing topologies where the internal routers don't find themselves asking, "Which way is up?". Additionally, without source routing, I don't see h

Re: [homenet] will CER's be globally authoritative resolvers?

2013-03-15 Thread Mark Andrews
In message <11573.1363356...@sandelman.ca>, Michael Richardson writes: > Mark the other part is the update-reverse-zone-by-TCP DNS update, > authorized by TCP. You've talked about this. Do you think we need a > dnsext action to permit this, or any kind of document outside of > homenet? Given th

Re: [homenet] will CER's be globally authoritative resolvers?

2013-03-15 Thread Michael Thomas
On 03/15/2013 07:10 AM, Michael Richardson wrote: Okay, so there would be standards work to do multi-master. I thought so, but I wasn't clear. Are there any multi-master implementations using proprietary protocols? I think that multi-master isn't that important for homenet. I think that having a

Re: [homenet] Next steps for draft-behringer-homenet-trust-bootstrap?

2013-03-15 Thread Michael Thomas
On 03/15/2013 04:04 AM, Robert Cragie wrote: On 14/03/2013 9:42 PM, Michael Thomas wrote: On 03/14/2013 10:03 AM, Michael Behringer (mbehring) wrote: From: Michael Thomas [mailto:m...@mtcc.com] [...] In today's world access control is gated at L2 via wpa or similar. Are you suggesting that w

Re: [homenet] will CER's be globally authoritative resolvers?

2013-03-15 Thread Michael Thomas
On 03/15/2013 07:23 AM, Michael Richardson wrote: Michael> Mark, I am still confused as to whether there is anything Michael> new/unimplemented here too. If my CER, say, is the master, probably not, but not every piece of code out there supports the particular characteristic. I've se

Re: [homenet] Wide Area DNS-Based Service Discovery walkthrough

2013-03-15 Thread Livingood, Jason
On 3/15/13 10:48 AM, "Livingood, Jason" wrote: >With the new gTLDs this is certainly a concern. Definitely don't use .home >since there are many applicants. However, .local is reserved by ICANN so >it cannot in my understanding become a new gTLD per the gTLD guidebook, >section 2.2.1.2.1 "Reserved

Re: [homenet] Wide Area DNS-Based Service Discovery walkthrough

2013-03-15 Thread Livingood, Jason
On 3/14/13 9:50 AM, "Simon Kelley" wrote: >Lots of homenet-type >installations will have it set to ".lan" or something similar. Some will >set it to ".local" only to discover that the .local TLD has been >usurped. With the new gTLDs this is certainly a concern. Definitely don't use .home since

Re: [homenet] will CER's be globally authoritative resolvers?

2013-03-15 Thread Michael Richardson
> "Michael" == Michael Thomas writes: Michael> Mark, I am still confused as to whether there is anything Michael> new/unimplemented here too. If my CER, say, is the master, probably not, but not every piece of code out there supports the particular characteristic. I've seen lots of

Re: [homenet] will CER's be globally authoritative resolvers?

2013-03-15 Thread Michael Richardson
> "Mark" == Mark Andrews writes: Mark> It is quite common for the stealth masters to exist (not Mark> listed in the NS RRset). It is also quite common for Mark> recursive servers to have local copies of zones that are in Mark> use locally but not be listed in the NS RRset. T

Re: [homenet] Next steps for draft-behringer-homenet-trust-bootstrap?

2013-03-15 Thread Michael Behringer (mbehring)
> -Original Message- > From: homenet-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:homenet-boun...@ietf.org] On > Behalf Of Brian E Carpenter [] > > Before we dive into the solution space, Brian, do you agree that the > framework draft should include this requirement? > > Yes, but I think that simplicity o

Re: [homenet] Next steps for draft-behringer-homenet-trust-bootstrap?

2013-03-15 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 15/03/2013 11:12, Michael Behringer (mbehring) wrote: >> -Original Message- >> From: Brian E Carpenter [mailto:brian.e.carpen...@gmail.com] > [...] >>> But I think the need goes beyond wireless. If I have visitors, I may not >>> like >> it if they plug in a device into the Ethernet sock

Re: [homenet] Next steps for draft-behringer-homenet-trust-bootstrap?

2013-03-15 Thread Michael Behringer (mbehring)
> -Original Message- > From: Brian E Carpenter [mailto:brian.e.carpen...@gmail.com] [...] > > But I think the need goes beyond wireless. If I have visitors, I may not > > like > it if they plug in a device into the Ethernet socket in the guest room, and > the > device has full access to e

Re: [homenet] Next steps for draft-behringer-homenet-trust-bootstrap?

2013-03-15 Thread Robert Cragie
On 14/03/2013 9:42 PM, Michael Thomas wrote: On 03/14/2013 10:03 AM, Michael Behringer (mbehring) wrote: From: Michael Thomas [mailto:m...@mtcc.com] [...] In today's world access control is gated at L2 via wpa or similar. Are you suggesting that we have a L3 equivalent? In addition? In repla

Re: [homenet] Next steps for draft-behringer-homenet-trust-bootstrap?

2013-03-15 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 15/03/2013 00:16, Michael Behringer (mbehring) wrote: >> -Original Message- >> From: Michael Thomas [mailto:m...@mtcc.com] >> Sent: 14 March 2013 17:43 >> To: Michael Behringer (mbehring) >> Cc: Tim Chown; homenet@ietf.org Group >> Subject: Re: [homenet] Next steps for draft-behringer-ho