Re: [homenet] 802.11 is just fine for IPv6 [was: Despair]

2015-08-10 Thread Toerless Eckert
sorry, address typo. again. IMHO, a better place for this discussion than homenet is Mboned, for example in conjunction with evolving draft-mcbride-mboned-wifi-mcast-problem-statement. I do not particularily like the scope either of the discussion in homenet or in the draft in MBoned, because

Re: [homenet] 802.11 is just fine for IPv6 [was: Despair]

2015-08-10 Thread Toerless Eckert
Hmm... the multicast to unicast conversion described in there looks fairly weak. It doesn't discuss any problems with IGMPv2/MLDv1 wrt to report suppression and how to deal with that for example. Or the challenge that hosts may not be happy about receiving IP multicast packets with unicast MAC

Re: [homenet] 802.11 is just fine for IPv6 [was: Despair]

2015-08-10 Thread Toerless Eckert
IMHO, a better place for this discussion than homenet is Mboned, for example in conjunction with evolving draft-mcbride-mboned-wifi-mcast-problem-statement. I do not particularily like the scope either of the discussion in homenet or in the draft in MBoned, because both only look at the

Re: [homenet] 802.11 is just fine for IPv6 [was: Despair]

2015-08-10 Thread Eric Vyncke (evyncke)
To come back on the discussion why mcast matters for IPv6 while bcast does not for IPv4: - IPv6 uses heavily mcast while in IPv4 (ND is quite chatty) - IPv6 uses many more addresses than IPv4 (hence even more chatty) A couple of us running very large (more than 1 STA) WiFi network have

Re: [homenet] 802.11 is just fine for IPv6 [was: Despair]

2015-08-07 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Fri, 7 Aug 2015, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: That's an overstatement. IPv6 works just fine over 802.11, it just From what I heard in v6ops, it doesn't work well for larger settings like conferences, at least not without multicast reduction techniques. So I'd say it suffers from the exact

Re: [homenet] 802.11 is just fine for IPv6 [was: Despair]

2015-08-07 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
I don't see how you can claim that ISIS can't use multicast on wifi because multicast on wifi doesn't work, I have never claimed that. Babel uses multicast on wifi. (Once again, Mikael, I request that you stop misrepresenting my position.) I think that the multicast reduction technique used

[homenet] 802.11 is just fine for IPv6 [was: Despair]

2015-08-07 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
However, I do think that 802.11 needs to point out to its members that if they don't implement assured multicast replication, IP doesn't work properly. That's an overstatement. IPv6 works just fine over 802.11, it just suffers from increased multicast packet loss and lower rate. I don't

Re: [homenet] 802.11 is just fine for IPv6 [was: Despair]

2015-08-07 Thread Hartog, F.T.H. (Frank) den
HGI is requesting Home Gateways to perform Wi-Fi multicast-to-unicast conversion, see http://www.homegatewayinitiative.org/publis/P_HGI01628R19.pdf . Regards, Frank From: homenet [homenet-boun...@ietf.org] on behalf of Juliusz Chroboczek