Re: [HOT] Highway=residential in Africa

2016-06-15 Thread Laura O'Grady
tags that are more in line with overall OSM taxonomy and traditions? Thanks for any clarification. Laura Laura O’Grady la...@lauraogrady.ca <mailto:la...@lauraogrady.ca> From: Michael [mailto:ohr...@gmail.com] Sent: June-15-16 6:23 AM To: hot@openstreetmap.org Subject:

Re: [HOT] Highway=residential in Africa

2016-06-15 Thread Jo
What I usually use is highway=unclassified / surface=unpaved. Polyglot 2016-06-15 19:14 GMT+02:00 Paul Norman : > On 6/15/2016 3:22 AM, Michael wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Here the word 'unclassified' is pretty misleading as well. For some >> reason 'highway=unclassified' does not mean that the road i

Re: [HOT] Highway=residential in Africa

2016-06-15 Thread Paul Norman
On 6/15/2016 3:22 AM, Michael wrote: Hi, Here the word 'unclassified' is pretty misleading as well. For some reason 'highway=unclassified' does not mean that the road is not classified at all but does not have any special classification. In other words it is something like "other road" or any

Re: [HOT] Highway=residential in Africa

2016-06-15 Thread Michael
Hi, as I have struggled with this myself in the past I would like to comment from my point of view: 2016-06-14 23:51 GMT+02:00 Alex Bogedain : > In terms of the Unclassified/Tracks/Paths debate, in these rural areas > especially, I believe tracks should almost always win out. > I am afraid that

Re: [HOT] Highway=residential in Africa

2016-06-14 Thread Alex Bogedain
Hello All, I am one of Chad Blevins' interns, and have been one of the more vocal ones about being in disagreement with the Wiki and would like to do my part to rationalize out why I am thinking this way. In terms of the Unclassified/Tracks/Paths debate, in these rural areas especially, I believe

Re: [HOT] Highway=residential in Africa

2016-06-14 Thread John Whelan
First you are using OpenStreetMap and so anything can be tagged any value no ifs no but about it. Second when you view OSM you are never looking at the raw database. You are looking at what a rendering system shows. On my machine JOSM shows unclassified and residential in different colours.

Re: [HOT] Highway=residential in Africa

2016-06-14 Thread andy Gardner
Thanks Suzan. Andy On Tuesday, 14 June 2016, 7:50, Suzan Reed wrote: The phrase “mainly by pedestrians” can mean a path can also be use by a car, horses, or a motorbike as well. A mapper has to use good judgment, hopefully based on well written, clear and complete instructions, and

Re: [HOT] Highway=residential in Africa

2016-06-13 Thread Suzan Reed
The phrase “mainly by pedestrians” can mean a path can also be use by a car, horses, or a motorbike as well. A mapper has to use good judgment, hopefully based on well written, clear and complete instructions, and in this case, the Africa wiki. If the instructions aren’t clear, it just takes m

Re: [HOT] Highway=residential in Africa

2016-06-13 Thread andy Gardner
It says on the highway tag Africa wiki for highway=path "Paths not large enough for cars and mainly for pedestrians".I take your point about motorbikes Suzan but how do you tell from the image that a path sized way is being used as a road? would you go by density of buildings? On Monday,

Re: [HOT] Highway=residential in Africa

2016-06-13 Thread john whelan
>so limiting to a certain size vehicle is putting too much of a restriction on mapping in Africa, in my opinion. and I think that was the conclusion of the people who created the African Highway wiki, if the highway is wide enough for two trucks side by side you can guess its not a path, but other

Re: [HOT] Highway=residential in Africa

2016-06-13 Thread Suzan Reed
In some rural areas people have a lot of different vehicles for transport. Some adapt motorbikes with cargo carriers making them into little trucks and motorbikes can be loaded in various ways and are used as transport, and these can travel on many tracks and minor/unclassified roads, so limitin

Re: [HOT] Highway=residential in Africa

2016-06-13 Thread andy Gardner
Hello there, Should the limit for a road perhaps be the width of  a vehicle and under for a path? (A Land Rover's roughly 2m wide). There's a scale on JOSM and ID. Couldn't see one on Potlatch. Andy On Monday, 13 June 2016, 17:48, Chad Blevins wrote: Hi John, You're absolutely correct

Re: [HOT] Highway=residential in Africa

2016-06-13 Thread Chad Blevins
Hi John, You're absolutely correct. When Courtney and I created the Mozambique Tracing Guide the original tasks were urban focused, and the scope has changed to rural areas. Currently a group of interns are mapping those districts and I've had several inquiries about road classifications. The g

Re: [HOT] Highway=residential in Africa

2016-06-13 Thread john whelan
OSM has its roots in the UK and Germany, in the UK highways are classified A, B, I think even C and other very minor roads were labelled unclassified by Ordnance Survey historically so that is where the term comes from. The UK Ordnance Survey was historically important in creating everyday maps.

Re: [HOT] Highway=residential in Africa

2016-06-12 Thread Vao Matua
> ‘trunk road’. >>> >>> >>> >>> Specifically, I think all road classification is only as good as the >>> local community, because often you can’t tell ‘significance’ or function >>> without local knowledge. >>> >>> >>

Re: [HOT] Highway=residential in Africa

2016-06-12 Thread john whelan
nity, because often you can’t tell ‘significance’ or function >> without local knowledge. >> >> >> >> =Russ >> >> >> >> *From:* john whelan [mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com] >> *Sent:* Sunday, June 12, 2016 7:21 AM >> *To:* hot@openstreetma

Re: [HOT] Highway=residential in Africa

2016-06-12 Thread john whelan
> Specifically, I think all road classification is only as good as the local > community, because often you can’t tell ‘significance’ or function without > local knowledge. > > > > =Russ > > > > *From:* john whelan [mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Sunday

Re: [HOT] Highway=residential in Africa

2016-06-12 Thread Russell Deffner
often you can’t tell ‘significance’ or function without local knowledge. =Russ From: john whelan [mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2016 7:21 AM To: hot@openstreetmap.org Subject: [HOT] Highway=residential in Africa When validating I'm seeing a large numb

[HOT] Highway=residential in Africa

2016-06-12 Thread john whelan
When validating I'm seeing a large number of highways in rural areas tagged as highway=residential rather than highway=unclassified mainly by new mappers in maperthons but even one or two project managers are using this designation and I'm not sure why. My expectation is a few highways within a la