[hugin-ptx] Re: Layout panorama model (GSoC)

2009-05-22 Thread Yuval Levy
Hi James, I am a bit late on this thread and coding starts tomorrow. Nevertheless, here are my thoughts, hoping they can help you. At the core, Hugin makes sense of a series of photographs. In your project you get the unique opportunity to review how this is done. There are two parts to it: t

[hugin-ptx] Re: Layout panorama model (GSoC)

2009-05-18 Thread James Legg
On Mon, 2009-05-18 at 21:35 +0100, Bruno Postle wrote: > On Fri 24-Apr-2009 at 13:30 +0100, Bruno Postle wrote: > > > >Random thought: how about a 'layout' mode in the fast preview window > >that rearranges the photos to show the structure of the project. > > Following through with this idea,

[hugin-ptx] Re: Layout panorama model (GSoC)

2009-05-18 Thread Dale Beams
0 > From: br...@postle.net > To: hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com > Subject: [hugin-ptx] Re: Layout panorama model (GSoC) > > > On Fri 24-Apr-2009 at 13:30 +0100, Bruno Postle wrote: > > > >Random thought: how about a 'layout' mode in the fast preview window >

[hugin-ptx] Re: Layout panorama model (GSoC)

2009-05-18 Thread Bruno Postle
On Fri 24-Apr-2009 at 13:30 +0100, Bruno Postle wrote: > >Random thought: how about a 'layout' mode in the fast preview window >that rearranges the photos to show the structure of the project. Following through with this idea, here is a mockup showing the 'Preview' mode compared with the equi

[hugin-ptx] Re: Layout panorama model (GSoC)

2009-05-17 Thread Bruno Postle
On Sat 16-May-2009 at 19:13 -0700, Tom Sharpless wrote: > >I would like this facility to be able to generate regular layouts -- >both rectangular (for long lenses) and staggered (for fisheyes) -- >from simple specs such as "5 x 8" or "6 around: 3 up 15, 3 down 15". I'm not entirely sure why this

[hugin-ptx] Re: Layout panorama model (GSoC)

2009-05-16 Thread Tom Sharpless
Hi I guess there will always be 2 schools of thought about pano layouts. Being an engineer, I believe you shouldn't shoot a pano until you have planned the layout, and probably written it down. Bruno belongs to the "just shoot away and let Hugin sort it out" school, which is presumably larger.

[hugin-ptx] Re: Layout panorama model (GSoC)

2009-05-13 Thread Bruno Postle
On Tue 12-May-2009 at 23:38 +0100, James Legg wrote: > >> Yes, or if you position two photos, the software can assume that the >> intermediate photos have intermediate positions. > >I would think it would be difficult to choose when to make this >assumption. You don't want photos to move by thems

[hugin-ptx] Re: Layout panorama model (GSoC)

2009-05-12 Thread Pablo d'Angelo
Hi James, Just a quick note below: James Legg wrote: > It probably wouldn't take too long to combine this with the OpenGL > preview, and might even be less work than putting it in its own tab. Sounds good! > I don't know about animating the transition between preview and layout > mode though.

[hugin-ptx] Re: Layout panorama model (GSoC)

2009-05-12 Thread James Legg
On Tue, 2009-05-12 at 22:16 +0100, Bruno Postle wrote: > I think that in the case where the photographer has to fiddle with > settings on their camera between shots, then they probably need to > fiddle with their stitching software too - i.e you can't auto-detect > this stuff. Fair enough. >

[hugin-ptx] Re: Layout panorama model (GSoC)

2009-05-12 Thread Bruno Postle
On Tue 12-May-2009 at 20:38 +0100, James Legg wrote: > >This should cater for most camera's auto exposure bracketing, but won't >help if you bracket differently for each direction, depending on its >dynamic range. I think that in the case where the photographer has to fiddle with settings on the

[hugin-ptx] Re: Layout panorama model (GSoC)

2009-05-12 Thread James Legg
On Tue, 2009-05-12 at 19:20 +0100, Bruno Postle wrote: > Hi James, some thoughts on using EXIF data to structure panorama > projects based on touching this stuff with panostart/match-n-shift: > > Identifying panoramas from timestamps. This isn't relevant to your > project, but it is actually q

[hugin-ptx] Re: Layout panorama model (GSoC)

2009-05-12 Thread Bruno Postle
On Thu 23-Apr-2009 at 15:48 +0100, James Legg wrote: > >Some feature ideas: > * If the layout was entered manually: > * The layout will provide an initial guess for the image >positions. > * You can do automatic control point generation on just >

[hugin-ptx] Re: Layout panorama model (GSoC)

2009-04-26 Thread Tom Sharpless
Bravo, James! This is something obviously useful that for some reason none of the stitchers I use provides. I think the most important target is focusing control point finding on areas of actual overlap -- that should not only eliminate the stupid impossible CPs we sometimes get, but more import

[hugin-ptx] Re: Layout panorama model (GSoC)

2009-04-26 Thread James Legg
On Sun, 2009-04-26 at 15:43 -0500, Gerry Patterson wrote: > > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 9:02 PM, Gerry Patterson > wrote: > > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 6:05 PM, James Legg > wrote: > > > Ideas are what I need at the mo

[hugin-ptx] Re: Layout panorama model (GSoC)

2009-04-26 Thread Bruno Postle
On Sun 26-Apr-2009 at 15:28 -0500, Gerry Patterson wrote: > > As of rev 3805, Hugin will now compute the errors for the control > points on project load. I placed this in a separate function that > can be called in other places as well (say when ever an image is > moved or a CP is modified).

[hugin-ptx] Re: Layout panorama model (GSoC)

2009-04-26 Thread Gerry Patterson
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 9:02 PM, Gerry Patterson wrote: > > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 6:05 PM, James Legg wrote: > >> >> Ideas are what I need at the moment. Perhaps when this thread has more >> responses you could summarise the ideas on the wiki? That would be >> helpful. :-) >> >> > I can try.

[hugin-ptx] Re: Layout panorama model (GSoC)

2009-04-26 Thread Gerry Patterson
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Bruno Postle wrote: > > Note that hugin shows an 'error distance' for each control point, > this is actually supplied by the optimiser at the end of each > optimiser run (which is why all these fields are zeroed when you > reload a project). > > This is overdue fo

[hugin-ptx] Re: Layout panorama model (GSoC)

2009-04-26 Thread T. Modes
>       * There can be brackets without stacks. For example, if shooting >         by hand, you could take a row of pictures at one exposure, >         change the exposure time and go back in the opposite direction. >         It is unlikely that you can make stacks of the two different >         e

[hugin-ptx] Re: Layout panorama model (GSoC)

2009-04-24 Thread paul womack
Oskar Sander wrote: > > If lines are used to visualize connections of control points, width and > colour could be used to show what connects that have many or few > control points (width), and where there are control points that have a > bad fit (e.g. red or green) > > With the correct posit

[hugin-ptx] Re: Layout panorama model (GSoC)

2009-04-24 Thread Oskar Sander
2009/4/24 Bruno Postle > > > Photos would be iconised with inter-connections shown as lines, > similar to the undirected graph tests but with the correct relative > positions as in Roger Wolff's ptomap test. Stacks can be shown as a > 'cascade' of images on top of each other. Unconnected photos

[hugin-ptx] Re: Layout panorama model (GSoC)

2009-04-24 Thread Bruno Postle
On Fri 24-Apr-2009 at 00:05 +0100, James Legg wrote: > >It is likely that each type of model has a most ideal stitch / fuse >order, so perhaps it doesn't make sense to present the choices on the >stitcher tab. > >I was planning a layout tab, for describing the set of pictures taken; Random though

[hugin-ptx] Re: Layout panorama model (GSoC)

2009-04-23 Thread Gerry Patterson
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 6:05 PM, James Legg wrote: > > On Thu, 2009-04-23 at 11:33 -0500, Gerry Patterson wrote: > > > Would it make sense to be allow control of the blending and fusing > > order for the output. When I was looking at this earlier, there were > > two areas that needed to know abo

[hugin-ptx] Re: Layout panorama model (GSoC)

2009-04-23 Thread Bruno Postle
On Thu 23-Apr-2009 at 15:48 +0100, James Legg wrote: >The layout model can be either entered manually, or automatically >guessed after an initial alignment. The model describes the number of >images per stack, the number of stacks in each row, the total field of >view covered by each row, the dir

[hugin-ptx] Re: Layout panorama model (GSoC)

2009-04-23 Thread James Legg
On Thu, 2009-04-23 at 11:33 -0500, Gerry Patterson wrote: > Would it make sense to be allow control of the blending and fusing > order for the output. When I was looking at this earlier, there were > two areas that needed to know about the model you are discussing: > optimization, and then later

[hugin-ptx] Re: Layout panorama model (GSoC)

2009-04-23 Thread Oskar Sander
2009/4/23 James Legg The layout model can be either entered manually, or automatically > guessed after an initial alignment. The model describes the number of > images per stack, the number of stacks in each row, the total field of > view covered by each row, the direction you rotated between the

[hugin-ptx] Re: Layout panorama model (GSoC)

2009-04-23 Thread Gerry Patterson
Hello James, On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 9:48 AM, James Legg wrote: > > Hello, > > > * In a panorama composed from multiple brackets, you can filter >the images used in the previews, so that only one bracket shows. This is a good idea! > > * The model will be used to suggest d