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Re: [I18n] Re: Some thoughts on XKB symbols

2003-08-14 Thread Danilo Segan
четвртак, 14. август 2003. 22:49:34 CEST — Frank Murphy написа: The problem is that as "the originator of the French language" France has nothing to do with the keymaps that, say, Canada has chosen. Of course -- that's why there would be no direct relation between "FR" file which is the one that

Re: [I18n] Re: Some thoughts on XKB symbols

2003-08-14 Thread Danilo Segan
четвртак, 14. август 2003. 14:36:47 CEST — Ivan Pascal написа: I think it's more likely that one Canadian guy will make and maintain all possible languages for a Canadian keyboard than one Frenchman will make all variants of French keymap for all countries. Yes, you're quite right. If I'm right

Re: [I18n] Re: Some thoughts on XKB symbols

2003-08-14 Thread Frank Murphy
> No, I didn't mean to imply that "FR" was choosen as a default for "fr" > because of "textual similarity", but rather, because France, with ISO > 3166 code of "FR", is the "originator" of French language "fr" (perhaps > this is not a good enough reasoning, and your reasoning based on > population

Re: [I18n] Re: Some thoughts on XKB symbols

2003-08-14 Thread Dr Andrew C Aitchison
On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, Danilo Segan wrote: > "fr" would imply using "fr(FR)". All the other cases must be By which logic, "en" implies "en(EN)", but EN isn't a whole ISO country, so do we use "en(GB)" as the ISO unit associated with "England", or "en(US)" as the counrty with the most English speak

Re: [I18n] Re: Some thoughts on XKB symbols

2003-08-14 Thread Frank Murphy
> > Sorry, I meant shift levels. my proposed us-ascii would have just > > > > key { [ 1,exclam ] }; > > > > not > > > > key { [ 1, exclam, onesuperior, exclamdown ] }; > > I'd go for: > > key { [ 1, exclam, any, any ] }; > > (I'm not sure if y

Re: [I18n] Re: Some thoughts on XKB symbols

2003-08-14 Thread Danilo Segan
четвртак, 14. август 2003. 17:35:10 CEST — Frank Murphy написа: > > I'd go for: > > key { [ 1, exclam, any, any ] }; > > (I'm not sure if your idea would work like this -- if it would, > then this is unneccessary burden). It's already done with only two levels in the pc/us keymap.

Re: [I18n] Re: Some thoughts on XKB symbols

2003-08-14 Thread Danilo Segan
четвртак, 14. август 2003. 16:01:29 — Dr Andrew C Aitchison написа: On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, Danilo Segan wrote: > "fr" would imply using "fr(FR)". All the other cases must be By which logic, "en" implies "en(EN)", but EN isn't a whole ISO country, so do we use "en(GB)" as the ISO unit associated wit

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Re: [I18n] Re: Some thoughts on XKB symbols

2003-08-14 Thread Frank Murphy
> The only xkb_symbols "us" that I see are in digital/us and > > xfree68/ataritt. > > But the map would be the same as the xkb_symbols "basic" in pc/us, > > basically, the same as latin(basic) only not including the group 2 or > > 3 symbols (exclamdown, etc.). However, it would be in the latin fil

Re: [I18n] Re: Some thoughts on XKB symbols

2003-08-14 Thread Danilo Segan
среда, 13. август 2003. 18:58:40 CEST — Frank Murphy написа: The only xkb_symbols "us" that I see are in digital/us and xfree68/ataritt. But the map would be the same as the xkb_symbols "basic" in pc/us, basically, the same as latin(basic) only not including the group 2 or 3 symbols (exclamdown, e

Re: [I18n] Re: Some thoughts on XKB symbols

2003-08-14 Thread Dr Andrew C Aitchison
On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, Danilo Segan wrote: > For the sake of difference, I would recommend the following: > - National keymaps should use ISO 3166 code in all UPPERCASE (eg. "US") > - Linguistic keymaps should use ISO 639 code in all lowercase (eg. "en") Is this going to cause us to run into CVS pr

Re: [I18n] Re: Some thoughts on XKB symbols

2003-08-14 Thread Danilo Segan
четвртак, 14. август 2003. 13:12:05 — Dr Andrew C Aitchison написа: On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, Danilo Segan wrote: > For the sake of difference, I would recommend the following: > - National keymaps should use ISO 3166 code in all UPPERCASE (eg. > "US") > - Linguistic keymaps should use ISO 639 code i

Re: [I18n] Re: Some thoughts on XKB symbols

2003-08-14 Thread Ivan Pascal
Dr Andrew C Aitchison wrote: > > Is there a difference between CA(fr) and fr(CA)* > Does the user care about it ? Should we make them mean the same thing ? > *FR(ca) would be different, although possibly unimportant or meaningless. I think there is a minor difference. In such name the first word u

[I18n] Re: Some thoughts on XKB symbols

2003-08-14 Thread Frank Murphy
I'd sent these ideas to Ivan Pascal, and he recommended that I bring the discussion here. I've included his replies to my original mail. The basics are some ideas for changing some of the files in the symbols directory so that there's more re-use and, hopefully, people understand them better and

Re: [I18n] Re: Some thoughts on XKB symbols

2003-08-14 Thread Danilo Segan
четвртак, 14. август 2003. 04:32:57 CEST — Frank Murphy написа: > > Sorry, I meant shift levels. my proposed us-ascii would have just > > key { [ 1,exclam ] }; > > not > > key { [ 1, exclam, onesuperior, exclamdown ] }; > I'd go for: key { [ 1

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