Re: [I18n]Re: mlterm with BiDi support

2002-02-11 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Mon, 11 Feb 2002, Markus Kuhn wrote: > Yes, ECMA-48/ISO 6429 describes a complete bidi semantics for VT100 > terminals, including ESC sequences to switch between different levels of > bidi support. It's not widely implemented, but it is formally > standardized. The only problem is no bidi exp

Re: [I18n]Re: mlterm with BiDi support

2002-02-11 Thread Markus Kuhn
Pablo Saratxaga wrote on 2002-02-10 03:52 UTC: > Now the question is, are there any defined escape sequence to > activate/unactivate bidi support or not ? Yes, ECMA-48/ISO 6429 describes a complete bidi semantics for VT100 terminals, including ESC sequences to switch between different levels of b

Re: [I18n]Re: mlterm with BiDi support

2002-02-10 Thread Pablo Saratxaga
Kaixo! On Sat, Feb 09, 2002 at 11:41:19PM +0200, Dov Grobgeld wrote: > This is the reason that I never understood how BiDi support in > the X-level or in the terminal could work. Unfortunately, the > BiDi support must be inserted in a higher level. The question > is if the curses library is enou

Re: [I18n]Re: mlterm with BiDi support

2002-02-09 Thread Dov Grobgeld
This is the reason that I never understood how BiDi support in the X-level or in the terminal could work. Unfortunately, the BiDi support must be inserted in a higher level. The question is if the curses library is enough, or if it must be even higher up. Dov On Fri, Feb 08, 2002 at 08:10:50PM

Re: [I18n]Re: mlterm with BiDi support

2002-02-08 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
Hi, What do you call a two month delay? late? On Thu, 27 Dec 2001, Tomohiro KUBOTA wrote: > At Thu, 27 Dec 2001 05:28:34 +0200, > Shaul Karl wrote: > > Behdad wrote: > > > What we have found is to enable the bidi on terminal, ask applications > > > that support bidi, to send a bidi-off escape co

Re: [I18n]Re: mlterm with BiDi support

2001-12-28 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Fri, 28 Dec 2001, Pablo Saratxaga wrote: > Kaixo! > > On Fri, Dec 28, 2001 at 06:26:21PM +0200, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > > > fribidi_log2vis with the base direction NEUTRAL (instead of LTR). > > > > However, numbers can cause a strange behaviour: > > > > # What I write: > > $ echo 1 [2] > > # Wh

Re: [I18n]Re: mlterm with BiDi support

2001-12-28 Thread Pablo Saratxaga
Kaixo! On Fri, Dec 28, 2001 at 06:55:54PM +0100, Pablo Saratxaga wrote: > > However, numbers can cause a strange behaviour: > > > > # What I write: > > $ echo 1 [2] > > # What I get in the xterm (visual) > > 2] 1] > > however "echo a 1 [2]" or "echo à 1 [2]" ('à' being a char supposed to be >

Re: [I18n]Re: mlterm with BiDi support

2001-12-28 Thread Pablo Saratxaga
Kaixo! On Fri, Dec 28, 2001 at 06:26:21PM +0200, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > fribidi_log2vis with the base direction NEUTRAL (instead of LTR). > > However, numbers can cause a strange behaviour: > > # What I write: > $ echo 1 [2] > # What I get in the xterm (visual) > 2] 1] however "echo a 1 [2]"

Re: [I18n]Re: mlterm with BiDi support

2001-12-28 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Wed, 26 Dec 2001, Tomohiro KUBOTA wrote: > Enabling BiDi never make mlterm unusable for non-BiDi people. > I cannot feel even speed down because of BiDi. I think there are > no reasons to disable BiDi. Actually, I ran into an example where it seems to make a difference: I use my modified bi

Re: [I18n]Re: mlterm with BiDi support

2001-12-27 Thread Tomohiro KUBOTA
Hi, At Thu, 27 Dec 2001 10:59:48 +0200 (IST), Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > I believe that we all agree that a bidi terminal will solve the problems > of command-line programs. However full-screen programs may do more > complicated manipulations of the text. > > Consider the following: > >ONE RTL

Re: [I18n]Re: mlterm with BiDi support

2001-12-27 Thread Shaul Karl
> Otherwise, since a little part of people in the world need BiDi As far as I know there are at least 500,000,000 people whose native language uses BiDi. And by that I assume that most Muslims native language use BiDi. I am aware to the fact that there are many Muslims in places were the native

Re: [I18n]Re: mlterm with BiDi support

2001-12-27 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Thu, 27 Dec 2001, Shaul Karl wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I'm a native persian speaker, have wrote many parts of fribidi > > library, and also working on console bidi, as all of you agree, > > almost all command line tools (like cat, tr, grep, ...), should do > > nothing about bidi, and on the other

Re: [I18n]Re: mlterm with BiDi support

2001-12-26 Thread Tomohiro KUBOTA
Hi, At Thu, 27 Dec 2001 05:28:34 +0200, Shaul Karl wrote: > > I'm a native persian speaker, have wrote many parts of fribidi > > library, and also working on console bidi, as all of you agree, > > almost all command line tools (like cat, tr, grep, ...), should do > > nothing about bidi, and on

Re: [I18n]Re: mlterm with BiDi support

2001-12-26 Thread Shaul Karl
> Hi, > > I'm a native persian speaker, have wrote many parts of fribidi > library, and also working on console bidi, as all of you agree, > almost all command line tools (like cat, tr, grep, ...), should do > nothing about bidi, and on the other side, their output on terminal > should be read

[I18n]Re: mlterm with BiDi support

2001-12-26 Thread Shaul Karl
> Hello, > > At Mon, 24 Dec 2001 18:50:19 +0200, > Shaul Karl wrote: > > > I believe a terminal emulator is the natural place for BiDi handling. > > Isn't one of the terminal emulator main tasks to free the application > > from the > > tedious details of input/output and present a common inter

Re: [I18n]Re: mlterm with BiDi support

2001-12-26 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
Hi, I'm a native persian speaker, have wrote many parts of fribidi library, and also working on console bidi, as all of you agree, almost all command line tools (like cat, tr, grep, ...), should do nothing about bidi, and on the other side, their output on terminal should be readable, then bid

[I18n]Re: mlterm with BiDi support

2001-12-25 Thread Tomohiro KUBOTA
Hello, At Mon, 24 Dec 2001 18:50:19 +0200, Shaul Karl wrote: > I believe a terminal emulator is the natural place for BiDi handling. > Isn't one of the terminal emulator main tasks to free the application > from the > tedious details of input/output and present a common interface? After > all

[I18n]Re: mlterm with BiDi support

2001-12-24 Thread Shaul Karl
> Hello Shaul, > > At Wed, 28 Nov 2001 01:33:51 +0200, > Shaul Karl wrote: > > > I hope that mlterm also takes into considerations the RTL (Right To > > Left) languages. As far as I know these are Hebrew and Arabic. > > Actually, BiDi (Bi Directional) might be more suitable then RTL in this >