Re: [IAEP] Physics

2009-06-30 Thread forster
I like Physics, thanks for drawing my attention to it. A simple guide to hacking Physics using Activities that normally come with a XO (Browse, Pippy & Terminal) at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Modifying_Activities#Modifying_Physics > Currently all objects have the same material settings: >

Re: [IAEP] Comments on David Kokorowski, David Pritchard and "Mastering" Educational SW

2009-06-30 Thread Alan Kay
When I get together with other scientists, at some point I ask them how they got started. For most, it wasn't because of school, but because of direct contact with adults, often a relative who was a scientist, and some of the older generation got into it from reading the classic science fiction

Re: [IAEP] Comments on David Kokorowski, David Pritchard and "Mastering" Educational SW

2009-06-30 Thread K. K. Subramaniam
On Tuesday 30 Jun 2009 11:23:24 pm Alan Kay wrote: > what is more interesting is how well certain ways of thinking work > in finding strong models of phenomena compared to others. This is the part that interests me too ... > So, if we get > pneumonia, there are lots of paradigms to choose from, but

Re: [IAEP] Alternative icon design for Get Internet Archive Books, please comment

2009-06-30 Thread Eben Eliason
Here's my two cents. (see attached) I like the use of the browse icon, but I've found that rendering it as a fill, rather than a stroke, works far better at small sizes. While I like the stack of books, I'm afraid it doesn't read clearly at first glance. I decided to try stamping the internet logo

Re: [IAEP] Alternative icon design for Get Internet Archive Books, please comment

2009-06-30 Thread forster
Jim I like the icon of the browser on the open book To me it says: get a book from the internet Unlike the other suggestions, it can be interpreted without any prior knowledge, because it builds on the Browse and book reader icons which have their meaning defined within Sugar by these Activitie

[IAEP] New VMPlayer Appliances available for downloading from sugarlabs (repost)

2009-06-30 Thread Thomas C Gilliard
2 VMX Appliances available for download: http://people.sugarlabs.org/~Tgillard/ http://people.sugarlabs.org/Tgillard/KDESoasStrawberryAppliance.tar.gz http://people.sugarlabs.org/Tgillard/KDESoasStrawberry.zip http://people.sugarlabs.org/Tgillard/Fedora11sugaredu.zip Start right up with VMPlayer

Re: [IAEP] Sugarcamp - November 7th-12th 2009 ?

2009-06-30 Thread David Farning
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Simon Schampijer wrote: > On 06/29/2009 10:09 PM, David Farning wrote: >> >> On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Simon Schampijer >>  wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> the SFScon 2009 will be held in Bolzano [1]. As part of that the TIS[2] >>> would be willing host a Sugarcam

Re: [IAEP] Sugarcamp - November 7th-12th 2009 ?

2009-06-30 Thread Simon Schampijer
On 06/29/2009 10:09 PM, David Farning wrote: > On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Simon Schampijer wrote: >> Hi, >> >> the SFScon 2009 will be held in Bolzano [1]. As part of that the TIS[2] >> would be willing host a Sugarcamp. The camp would be part of the free >> software week [3], where a GNOME

[IAEP] Communicating project goals and Roadmap

2009-06-30 Thread David Farning
This thread is an attempt to help clean up a couple of issues that have been cropping up over the past couple of months. There have been a couple of instances of suboptimal communication between different parts of the project. Several times recently, external organizations have been looking for a

[IAEP] Good progress at the Lilla G. Fredrick (LGF) School

2009-06-30 Thread Caroline Meeks
Walter and I and some of the LGF staff set up computers from their old supply closet this morning. We got 7 running sugar! We also got a school MacBook running!! Here are success videos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEa2OIFzNEw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYbPz9NgiW4 We are happy with the r

Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs Chile proposal

2009-06-30 Thread David Farning
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Werner Westermann wrote: > To David Farning, best regards from Santiago, Chile. > > I'd like to officially nominate Chile as a Local Lab: > > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs_Chile That sounds like a great plan. > We, Educalibre (http://www.educalibre.cl),

Re: [IAEP] Get IA Books Icon

2009-06-30 Thread David Farning
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Jim Simmons wrote: > David, > > I'm not clear on which icon you are praising: mine or Frederick's? > > The problem I have with books in a pile or on a shelf is that it's too > similar to Aleksey's design for Library.  I think that design is very > suitable for what

Re: [IAEP] Alternative icon design for Get Internet Archive Books, please comment

2009-06-30 Thread David Farning
A stack of books made me immediately think of driving the carpool for the local summer reading program. Each kid going in and out of the building is carrying a stack of books. Of note about the kids books is that they are all different sizes and color... and the stacks are pretty haphazard:) dav

Re: [IAEP] Get IA Books Icon

2009-06-30 Thread Jim Simmons
David, I'm not clear on which icon you are praising: mine or Frederick's? The problem I have with books in a pile or on a shelf is that it's too similar to Aleksey's design for Library. I think that design is very suitable for what Aleksey is doing, because he is building a kind of electronic bo

Re: [IAEP] Alternative icon design for Get Internet Archive Books, please comment

2009-06-30 Thread Samuel Klein
You might want to add more whitespace around the Browse icon. And it's not so clear to me that it is a stack of books, or what the bottom line is. An open book with pages might be more identifiable. SJ On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Sean DALY wrote: > I really like this one, the stack of books

Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs Chile proposal

2009-06-30 Thread Walter Bender
Sounds great... -walter On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Werner Westermann wrote: > To David Farning, best regards from Santiago, Chile. > > I'd like to officially nominate Chile as a Local Lab: > > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs_Chile > > We, Educalibre (http://www.educalibre.cl), were

Re: [IAEP] Alternative icon design for Get Internet Archive Books, please comment

2009-06-30 Thread Sean DALY
I really like this one, the stack of books and mini-Browse tell the story. Sean On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 7:28 PM, David Farning wrote: > On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Frederick Grose wrote: >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Jim Simmons wrote: > >>> >>> I'm still interested in other

[IAEP] Sugar Labs Chile proposal

2009-06-30 Thread Werner Westermann
To David Farning, best regards from Santiago, Chile. I'd like to officially nominate Chile as a Local Lab: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs_Chile We, Educalibre (http://www.educalibre.cl), were hoping to be ready as a formalized NGO, but the process will not end before 2 or 3 months (it s

Re: [IAEP] Physics

2009-06-30 Thread Caryl Bigenho
Hi Gary, Yes, for younger students giving them the options to choose materials they know would be better than giving them numbers they wouldn't understand (they would be nice in a more advanced level). I know kids find the Activity fascinating just as it is, but I am looking forward to seeing

Re: [IAEP] Physics

2009-06-30 Thread Gary C Martin
On 30 Jun 2009, at 17:21, Caryl Bigenho wrote: > Hi All, > > I sent this yesterday, but it got filtered out by some machine since > I didn't send it as a "reply". So I am sending it again today. > > This is the "old science teacher" in me talking...I think the > Physics Activity has great pot

Re: [IAEP] Comments on David Kokorowski, David Pritchard and "Mastering" Educational SW

2009-06-30 Thread Alan Kay
Hi Subbu, No, I meant Francis Bacon, who lived in the early 17th century, and was a contemporary of Shakespeare (and some like to claim that he *was* Shakespeare, heh heh). Check out "Novum Organum", "The New Atlantis", etc. The word "scientia" -- meaning knowledge -- is Latin and is old. And t

Re: [IAEP] Physics

2009-06-30 Thread Alan Kay
Hi Caryl, It's possible that the Physics Activity could get students interested in Physics, but the deepest and most important parts of real science cannot be learned from a book or a computer or from just doing mathematics no matter how wonderful. The notion that they can has been a major mi

Re: [IAEP] Comments on David Kokorowski, David Pritchard and "Mastering" Educational SW

2009-06-30 Thread K. K. Subramaniam
On Tuesday 30 Jun 2009 5:42:29 pm Alan Kay wrote: > ..There I should have said "modern science" to denote the kind of science > that Galileo and a few others > started, which Bacon discussed so well as a debugging process for what is > wrong with our brains/minds, and which Newton first showed how

Re: [IAEP] Alternative icon design for Get Internet Archive Books, please comment

2009-06-30 Thread David Farning
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Frederick Grose wrote: > > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Jim Simmons wrote: >> >> I'm still interested in other ideas. > >  Something like this maybe... > > > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop

Re: [IAEP] Alternative icon design for Get Internet Archive Books, please comment

2009-06-30 Thread Frederick Grose
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Jim Simmons wrote: > > > ... > > I'm still interested in other ideas. Something like this maybe... <>___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org

Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] Debrief of Sugar on a Stick v1 Strawberry launch for all teams

2009-06-30 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 12:12, Sean DALY wrote: > > * No OLPC briefing beforehand. > The authors of the key articles in this launch sought comment from > OLPC, who provided an odd statement from Professor Negroponte, odd > enough that it was heavily edited or truncated by the journalists. The > BBC

Re: [IAEP] [Grassroots-l] Et français?

2009-06-30 Thread Bastien
Sean DALY writes: > Bastien, Lionel et les amis d'OLPC France, > > Qu'en pensez-vous d'une liste Sugar Labs en français? Est-ce que ça > ferait double emploi avec la liste OLPC-France ? Pour l'instant je pense que cette liste n'est pas nécessaire. Elle le deviendra quand nous aurons plus de re

[IAEP] Physics

2009-06-30 Thread Caryl Bigenho
Hi All, I sent this yesterday, but it got filtered out by some machine since I didn't send it as a "reply". So I am sending it again today. This is the "old science teacher" in me talking...I think the Physics Activity has great potential for getting students interested in Physics and in think

[IAEP] Alternative icon design for Get Internet Archive Books, please comment

2009-06-30 Thread Jim Simmons
Attached is an icon for the Get Internet Archive Books Activity. My original design, based on a card catalog drawer, can be seen at ASLO. I kind of like the original, but will replace it with something else if there is a strong preference to do so. This icon is inspired by a suggestion by Gary C

[IAEP] upstream/downstream again (was Re: [Marketing] People who spread the news was Re: organizing an event)

2009-06-30 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
2009/6/27 Caroline Meeks : > > > On 6/27/09, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: >> >> On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 00:27, David Farning >> wrote: >> > 2009/6/23 Sean DALY : >> > >> > My main concern has to do with the participation and support funnels. >> > In general, teachers are not particularly experienced partic

Re: [IAEP] Get Internet Archive Books Activity available soon

2009-06-30 Thread Sayamindu Dasgupta
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 4:51 AM, Jim Simmons wrote: > Sayamindu, > > On the OPDS issue with only linking to PDF the Internet Archive uses > some pretty rigid file naming conventions, so if you want a DJVU and > the URL for PDF is given it could be as simple as changing the > filename suffix from .p

Re: [IAEP] Comments on David Kokorowski, David Pritchard and "Mastering" Educational SW

2009-06-30 Thread Alan Kay
Hi Subbu I don't know how to do justice to your question in a short reply. One of Anthropology's "human universals" (found everywhere in human societies) is indeed the "desire to seek the deeper principles ." etc. "Science" is used in at least two distinct ways these days. The roots of the

Re: [IAEP] Comments on David Kokorowski, David Pritchard and ''Mastering'' Educational SW

2009-06-30 Thread Alan Kay
Hi Tony 1. Most interesting learnable fields have numerous aspects, and many of these require various kinds of skill learning. The Kokorowski stuff could possibly be of great help in one part of the larger picture. For example, very composer and artist does problem solving, but the center of

Re: [IAEP] Comments on David Kokorowski, David Pritchard and "Mastering" Educational SW

2009-06-30 Thread K. K. Subramaniam
On Monday 29 Jun 2009 10:01:34 pm Alan Kay wrote: > (a) "the epistemology of science" is not at all what most people suppose, > and it is rather distant from the normal ways our minds are set up to work, Could you please elaborate it? Isn't the desire to seek the deeper principles behind things an

[IAEP] Debrief of Sugar on a Stick v1 Strawberry launch for all teams

2009-06-30 Thread Sean DALY
We have had a successful media launch of the Strawberry release of SoaS; coverage is ongoing a week after the launch. I feel very strongly that a successful launch like this can only work if everyone is on board together, from developers to marketers, from packagers to designers, so I have preferr

Re: [IAEP] Et français?

2009-06-30 Thread Sean DALY
Bastien, Lionel et les amis d'OLPC France, Qu'en pensez-vous d'une liste Sugar Labs en français? Est-ce que ça ferait double emploi avec la liste OLPC-France ? merci de vos retours Sean 2009/6/30 Edward Cherlin : > 2009/6/28 Bernie Innocenti : >> [cc += syst...@] >> >> On Sun, 2009-06-28 at 01

Re: [IAEP] Et français?

2009-06-30 Thread Edward Cherlin
2009/6/28 Bernie Innocenti : > [cc += syst...@] > > On Sun, 2009-06-28 at 01:42 -0700, Edward Cherlin wrote: >> Mais où est la liste française, pour toutes les pays de la >> Francophonie? Comme Rwanda, Ghana, Cambodge, et Haïti? > > To avoid ending up with dozens of deserted lists, let's adopt the