Re: [IAEP] Physics - Lesson plans ideas?

2009-08-23 Thread Edward Cherlin
Separate from this discussion, let me observe that the Exploratorium museum has expressed interest in using XOs to control experiments, including letting visitors interact with them through XOs. On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Alan Kay wrote: > Hi Bill > > Let me try again, but not as long winded

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Assessment in Karma

2009-08-23 Thread forster
Hi We mostly assess that which can easily be measured rather than that which relates to the important education outcomes. Lower order skills as defined in Blooms Taxonomy, simple recall, rather than understanding and creating. So far its OK, an understandable response to the realities. We the

Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs Membership proposal

2009-08-23 Thread Bernie Innocenti
El Sun, 23-08-2009 a las 18:10 -0400, Luke Faraone escribió: > * Can we state that anyone who writes to > memb...@sugarlabs.org > will receive an answer within X days? I'm concerned that > potential > members might be frustrated by silence. > > Doe

Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs Membership proposal

2009-08-23 Thread Luke Faraone
Bernie, On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 17:23, Bernie Innocenti wrote: > * We need to state clearly what the criteria for selection is. > Our current membership policy [1] is located in an obscure place. > It could be moved to a separate page and linked from relevant > pages (members list, etc) >

Re: [IAEP] Physics - Lesson plans ideas?

2009-08-23 Thread Maria Droujkova
On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Alan Kay wrote: > Hi Maria, > > You wrote > >People who grow up with assumed social pluralism won't be as shocked, > though. Science principles match >the new social order of the "massively > multiplayer" community scene pretty well. > > I'd love to hear more abou

[IAEP] Possible introductory lab

2009-08-23 Thread Dennis Daniels
David, Great idea! Good on you (as they somewhere on the planet)! Quote _Many_ newbie questions go unanswered. Unquote Getting bug reports and questions answered filled is a problem until you're wearing the 'dev' label. And once a dev, then you'll be expected to fix/anser it yourself, and fixing

Re: [IAEP] What to report where - Was Re: Sugar on a Stick switches to a new Bug Tracker

2009-08-23 Thread Caroline Meeks
I just tried asking a question on Launchpad. One question I have is how do I get alerted about Question and bug activity? I didn't see anywhere to set my email alerts. On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 5:22 AM, Luke Faraone wrote: > On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 05:11, Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero < > dir...@g

Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs Membership proposal

2009-08-23 Thread Bernie Innocenti
El Sun, 23-08-2009 a las 10:59 -0400, Luke Faraone escribió: > Hi, > > There was a recent discussion on IAEP with regards to the management > of the upcoming election. Here is the proposed policy for this cycle: > > Before September 1st, 2009, new member requests can be sent to members > at sugar

Re: [IAEP] SoaS as a Sugar Labs project.

2009-08-23 Thread David Farning
On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Bernie Innocenti wrote: > El Sat, 22-08-2009 a las 12:45 -0500, David Farning escribió: >> There has been some confusion over the past several months about how >> SoaS fits into Sugar Labs. >> >> I have been getting the feeling that we are setting ourself up for >>

Re: [IAEP] SoaS as a Sugar Labs project.

2009-08-23 Thread Bernie Innocenti
El Sat, 22-08-2009 a las 12:45 -0500, David Farning escribió: > There has been some confusion over the past several months about how > SoaS fits into Sugar Labs. > > I have been getting the feeling that we are setting ourself up for > confusion by not clearly abstracting SoaS from the Learning Pla

Re: [IAEP] Wellington OLPC Friends in Testing

2009-08-23 Thread David Farning
One more group that I would like to introduce The Wellington OLPC Friends in Testing have offered to help test upcoming SoaS releases! This presents us with yet another opportunity to create useful and effective feedback channels. One interesting piece about the Wellington testers is that th

[IAEP] Possible introductory lab

2009-08-23 Thread David Farning
Just want to bring two groups together for a quick idea. The two groups are Sugar Labs[1] and teaching open source[2]. On the TOS list we have seen a little bit of traffic about a course and co-op program the Rochester Institute of Technology offered last fall and will offer again this spring. O

[IAEP] SoaS install instructions on wiki

2009-08-23 Thread Dennis Daniels
I'm not the target market for SoaS but I am a teacher and I know a little Linux and run Fedora11 and Ubuntu9.04 and XP. I hope to one day build a networked SoaS lab from used computers and teach Scratch and etc to my students. Install instructions for SoaS are a bit of a mess. Here is a page I wro

Re: [IAEP] Physics - Lesson plans ideas?

2009-08-23 Thread Alan Kay
Hi Maria, You wrote >People who grow up with assumed social pluralism won't be as shocked, though. Science principles match >the new social order of the "massively multiplayer" community scene pretty well. I'd love to hear more about what you mean by this. Cheers, Alan _

Re: [IAEP] SoaS as a Sugar Labs project.

2009-08-23 Thread David Farning
I created a project level on the wiki toolbar listing SoaS. david On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 2:51 AM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 19:45, David Farning wrote: >> There has been some confusion over the past several months about how >> SoaS fits into Sugar Labs. >> >> I have been gett

Re: [IAEP] Physics - Lesson plans ideas?

2009-08-23 Thread Maria Droujkova
On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Alan Kay wrote: > Hi Asaf > > Among other things, our human brains are set up by nature to > -- take the world as it seems > -- want to learn the culture around us > -- believe (and then try to justify our beliefs) > -- especially believe our tribes, from fa

Re: [IAEP] Physics - Lesson plans ideas?

2009-08-23 Thread Alan Kay
Hi Asaf Among other things, our human brains are set up by nature to -- take the world as it seems -- want to learn the culture around us -- believe (and then try to justify our beliefs) -- especially believe our tribes, from family outwards -- think of most things in terms of stories -- dis

Re: [IAEP] Physics - Lesson plans ideas?

2009-08-23 Thread Alan Kay
Joshua Pritikin wrote >To me, it just doesn't seem black and white. There must be a whole >spectrum of learning experiences of greater and lesser pedagogical >value. There is indeed a spectrum, but what counts is where the threshold is drawn. An analogy can be found in music wrt (say) guitar pl

[IAEP] Google Sync enabled for users of mail.sugarlabs.org

2009-08-23 Thread Bernie Innocenti
Hello, I have eneabled the Google Sync feature on our Google Apps instance. If you want to use it, follow these instructions: http://www.google.com/support/a/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=138652 -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/

Re: [IAEP] Physics - Lesson plans ideas?

2009-08-23 Thread Joshua N Pritikin
On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 08:41:40PM -0700, Alan Kay wrote: > The important thing about what the computer does in this case -- > repeated incremental additions -- is that the children can and do > carry it out themselves. Well, perhaps gravity is an ideal topic to teach for this age group. Howev

[IAEP] Sugar Labs Membership proposal

2009-08-23 Thread Luke Faraone
Hi, There was a recent discussion on IAEP with regards to the management of the upcoming election. Here is the proposed policy for this cycle: Before *September 1st, 2009*, new member requests can be sent to members at sugarlabs dot org if they are not listed on [[Sugar_Labs/Initial_Members_List]

Re: [IAEP] Read Etexts Videos available

2009-08-23 Thread Bastien
Hi everyone, Caroline Meeks writes: > http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xa8sat_read-etexts-sugar > > I think it could be better in a few ways. I can hardly watch screencast that are longer than 3 minutes. I think the everage is ~4.5 minutes. One way to improve this screencast might be to split

Re: [IAEP] What to report where - Was Re: Sugar on a Stick switches to a new Bug Tracker

2009-08-23 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 11:11, Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero wrote: > i'm not sure if we have to split soas and sugar bug trackers yet, if > is usability and a better performance we are looking, and if lauchpad > is better for that purpose we can translate all our bug infrastructure > there.. IMHO

Re: [IAEP] What to report where - Was Re: Sugar on a Stick switches to a new Bug Tracker

2009-08-23 Thread Luke Faraone
On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 05:11, Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero < dir...@gmail.com> wrote: > and if lauchpad > is better for that purpose we can translate all our bug infrastructure > there.. IMHO we shouldn't split bug trackers between sugar and it's > projects. > Understood. SoaS is currently our

Re: [IAEP] What to report where - Was Re: Sugar on a Stick switches to a new Bug Tracker

2009-08-23 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
i'm not sure if we have to split soas and sugar bug trackers yet, if is usability and a better performance we are looking, and if lauchpad is better for that purpose we can translate all our bug infrastructure there.. IMHO we shouldn't split bug trackers between sugar and it's projects. Rafael O

Re: [IAEP] Physics - Lesson plans ideas?

2009-08-23 Thread Asaf Paris Mandoki
>> Science is the process of trying to put what we can investigate and >> think about "what's out there" in as close a relation as possible with >> what we can represent in symbols. In practise this is a kind of >> coevolution. > > And I don't see why you don't do that with the Physics activity. Fo

Re: [IAEP] SoaS as a Sugar Labs project.

2009-08-23 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 19:45, David Farning wrote: > There has been some confusion over the past several months about how > SoaS fits into Sugar Labs. > > I have been getting the feeling that we are setting ourself up for > confusion by not clearly abstracting SoaS from the Learning Platform. > On

Re: [IAEP] What to report where - Was Re: Sugar on a Stick switches to a new Bug Tracker

2009-08-23 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 16:03, Caroline Meeks wrote: > hmm ok let me see if I understand. > Teachers, parents etc. who may have a hard time understanding whether they > are reporting a bug on Sugar, Sugar on a Stick or an activity should use > GetSatisfaction. > SoaS Development team will use launc