On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 12:48 AM, Maria Droujkova wrote:
> > From: K. K. Subramaniam
> >
> > On Tuesday 30 Jun 2009 11:23:24 pm Alan Kay wrote:
> >> what is more interesting is how well certain ways of thinking work
> >> in finding strong models of phenomena compared to others.
> > This is the par
ly 2, 2009 6:12:02 AM
Subject: Re: [IAEP] Comments on David Kokorowski, David Pritchard and
"Mastering" Educational SW
On Thursday 02 Jul 2009 5:19:58 pm Alan Kay wrote:
> Knowledge - On the other hand, Henry Ford was not nearly as smart as
> Leonardo, but was born at a very go
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 15:12, K. K. Subramaniam wrote:
> On Thursday 02 Jul 2009 5:19:58 pm Alan Kay wrote:
>> Knowledge - On the other hand, Henry Ford was not nearly as smart as
>> Leonardo, but was born at a very good time and in a good place, so he was
>> able to combine engineering and product
On Thursday 02 Jul 2009 5:19:58 pm Alan Kay wrote:
> Knowledge - On the other hand, Henry Ford was not nearly as smart as
> Leonardo, but was born at a very good time and in a good place, so he was
> able to combine engineering and production inventions to make millions of
> inexpensive automobiles
Subramaniam
To: Alan Kay
Cc: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2009 12:12:59 PM
Subject: Re: [IAEP] Comments on David Kokorowski, David Pritchard and
"Mastering" Educational SW
On Wednesday 01 Jul 2009 9:03:26 am Alan Kay wrote:
>Your last sentence is somewhat paral
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Maria Droujkova wrote:
>
> ...
As I said, I am a beginner at Sugar, so what I say now may need (a lot of?)
> adjustment.
>
We should assure everyone that we all are beginners at Sugar (as Alan did.)
"It's An Education Project", not a platform project. Sugar La
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 12:12 PM, K. K. Subramaniam wrote:
> On Wednesday 01 Jul 2009 9:03:26 am Alan Kay wrote:
>>Your last sentence is somewhat parallel to what many business types like to
>>say about how hard it is to measure Return On Investment for research
>>funding. But in the business case,
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 18:21, Martin Dengler wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 01, 2009 at 11:08:18AM -0500, David Farning wrote:
>>> [thread about how to get kids interested in science]
>>
>> While this is an interesting topic. It is getting pretty far from the
>> goals of Sugar Labs, to create and promote a
On Wednesday 01 Jul 2009 9:03:26 am Alan Kay wrote:
>Your last sentence is somewhat parallel to what many business types like to
>say about how hard it is to measure Return On Investment for research
>funding. But in the business case, this is actually a form of dissembling,
>since an enormous perc
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:11 PM, David Farning wrote:
> Thanks for tying in these projects. Could you share more about how
> Sugar activity developers and content creators can leverage your work
> to solve the problems you discuss earlier in the thread.
>
> david
David,
As I said, I am a beginne
Some multi-player games are promising.
> - Just today I had a conversation with a parent of a 3yo about larger
> meaning of some of our Early Algebra activities. Understanding immediate
> importance (rather than 12 years down the road, as Subbu said) of deep
> thinking is a crucial piec
n the road, as Subbu said) of deep
thinking is a crucial piece of activity adoption by parents and teachers. If
this understanding is "packaged" with activities, they have much higher
chances of surviving beyond the lab where they are developed.
Cheers,
MariaD
> >> ____
> >>
tivites and content which can used, tested, and
assessed in classrooms.
thanks
david
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Maria Droujkova
>> To: Alan Kay
>> Cc: K. K. Subramaniam ; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2009 8:1
bject: Re: [IAEP] Comments on David Kokorowski, David Pritchard and
"Mastering" Educational SW
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Alan Kay wrote:
In theory, teachers are supposed to be a critical pool of significant adults,
especially for the fields -- such as math and science -- in whi
On Wed, Jul 01, 2009 at 11:08:18AM -0500, David Farning wrote:
>> [thread about how to get kids interested in science]
>
> While this is an interesting topic. It is getting pretty far from the
> goals of Sugar Labs, to create and promote a learning platform.
I think it speaks to the components su
vid
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Maria Droujkova
>> To: Alan Kay
>> Cc: K. K. Subramaniam ; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2009 8:18:34 AM
>> Subject: Re: [IAEP] Comments on David Kokorowski, David Pritcha
art of the general lack of math in juvenile
cultures, including social web sites.
MariaD
>
>
> --
> *From:* Maria Droujkova
> *To:* Alan Kay
> *Cc:* K. K. Subramaniam ; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 1, 2009 8:18:34 AM
>
> *Subj
Kay
Cc: K. K. Subramaniam ; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2009 8:18:34 AM
Subject: Re: [IAEP] Comments on David Kokorowski, David Pritchard and
"Mastering" Educational SW
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 11:33 PM, Alan Kay wrote:
> When I get together with other scientis
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 11:33 PM, Alan Kay wrote:
> When I get together with other scientists, at some point I ask them how
they
> got started. For most, it wasn't because of school, but because of direct
> contact with adults, often a relative who was a scientist, and some of the
> older generatio
tems.
Best wishes,
Alan
From: K. K. Subramaniam
To: Alan Kay
Cc: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 7:31:07 PM
Subject: Re: [IAEP] Comments on David Kokorowski, David Pritchard and
"Mastering" Educational SW
On Tuesday 30 Jun 2009 11:23:24 pm Alan Kay wrote
On Tuesday 30 Jun 2009 11:23:24 pm Alan Kay wrote:
> what is more interesting is how well certain ways of thinking work
> in finding strong models of phenomena compared to others.
This is the part that interests me too ...
> So, if we get
> pneumonia, there are lots of paradigms to choose from, but
__
From: K. K. Subramaniam
To: Alan Kay
Cc: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 10:31:03 AM
Subject: Re: [IAEP] Comments on David Kokorowski, David Pritchard and
"Mastering" Educational SW
On Tuesday 30 Jun 2009 5:42:29 pm Alan Kay wrote:
>
On Tuesday 30 Jun 2009 5:42:29 pm Alan Kay wrote:
> ..There I should have said "modern science" to denote the kind of science
> that Galileo and a few others
> started, which Bacon discussed so well as a debugging process for what is
> wrong with our brains/minds, and which Newton first showed how
lan
From: K. K. Subramaniam
To: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 4:11:14 AM
Subject: Re: [IAEP] Comments on David Kokorowski, David Pritchard and
"Mastering" Educational SW
On Monday 29 Jun 2009 10:01:34 pm Alan Kay wrote:
>
quot;
To: Alan Kay
Cc: gregsmit...@gmail.com; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 9:37:47 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [IAEP] Comments on David Kokorowski, David Pritchard and
''Mastering'' Educational SW
I share Alan and Edward's concern that we are selling
On Monday 29 Jun 2009 10:01:34 pm Alan Kay wrote:
> (a) "the epistemology of science" is not at all what most people suppose,
> and it is rather distant from the normal ways our minds are set up to work,
Could you please elaborate it? Isn't the desire to seek the deeper principles
behind things an
I share Alan and Edward's concern that we are selling kids short, if physics
education is all about just getting the 'right' answers but want to break down
the question posed by Greg into some sub-questions:
1)Despite the limitations of education which focuses on getting the 'right'
answers, mo
s, that Darwinism is just a competing religion.
> Best wishes,
>
> Alan
>
>
> From: Greg Smith
> To: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org
> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 8:53:02 AM
> Subject: [IAEP] Comments on David Kokorowski, David
minds are set up for, and this is how things have been since the Pleistocene.
Best wishes,
Alan
From: Greg Smith
To: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 8:53:02 AM
Subject: [IAEP] Comments on David Kokorowski, David Pritchard and "Maste
Hi All,
Does anyone have experience or comments on the educational work of David
Pritchard and David Korokowski, MIT Physicists?
They created the Mastering Physics (and other subjects) software:
http://www.masteringphysics.com/site/index.html
Its commercial SW focused on College level learning a
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