Re: [IAEP] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms

2009-02-13 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 04:04:36PM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote: >Hi David, > >On Donnerstag, 12. Februar 2009, David Van Assche wrote: >> The problem is that 0.82 is not stable at all > >As said before, if there are problems related to particular pa

Re: [IAEP] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms

2009-02-13 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi David, On Donnerstag, 12. Februar 2009, David Van Assche wrote: > The problem is that 0.82 is not stable at all As said before, if there are problems related to particular packaging in Debian, please file bugs. (For example I still need to test whether read+write are really broken on Len

Re: [IAEP] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms

2009-02-13 Thread Simon Schampijer
Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 09:10:48AM +0100, Simon Schampijer wrote: >> Jonas Smedegaard wrote: >>> On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 07:09:02PM -0500, Luke Faraone wrote: [...] we don't have many activities: to this we have two

Re: [IAEP] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms

2009-02-13 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 09:10:48AM +0100, Simon Schampijer wrote: >Jonas Smedegaard wrote: >> On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 07:09:02PM -0500, Luke Faraone wrote: >>> [...] we don't have many activities: to this we have two solutions: >>> >>> * Wait for Debia

Re: [IAEP] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms

2009-02-13 Thread Simon Schampijer
Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 07:09:02PM -0500, Luke Faraone wrote: >> On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > >> Ubuntu will sync their changes back to Debian as soon as we can; that >> is, as soon as Su

Re: [IAEP] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms

2009-02-12 Thread David Van Assche
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 2:28 AM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 07:09:02PM -0500, Luke Faraone wrote: >>On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > >>Ubuntu will sync their changes back to Debian as soon as we c

Re: [IAEP] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms

2009-02-12 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 07:09:02PM -0500, Luke Faraone wrote: >On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: >Ubuntu will sync their changes back to Debian as soon as we can; that >is, as soon as Sugar releases its next stable version. Wh

Re: [IAEP] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms

2009-02-12 Thread Luke Faraone
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > >Why can't there be something like Holger is suggesting... just a place > >where Debian and Ubuntu can work alongside each other. > > We do work alongside each other, it is the place both Holger an I are > talking about: The OLPC team hos

Re: [IAEP] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms

2009-02-12 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 07:08:14PM +0100, David Van Assche wrote: >The problem is that 0.82 is not stable at all Compared to not-yet-released 0.84 or what do you mean? >Ubuntu LTS, btw... [detail snippet], so no, its not the same. Not identica

Re: [IAEP] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms

2009-02-12 Thread David Van Assche
The problem is that 0.82 is not stable at all but being released in a stable Debian... Ubuntu LTS, btw... always backports its most stable packages to it, so no, its not the same. Otherwise the state it would be in as it was when it was released would be unusable... remember the cachepixmaps bu

Re: [IAEP] activites known not to either work at all or not?on?certin platforms

2009-02-12 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 03:37:15PM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote: >please relax... Please stop posting noise that can be mistaken as invitation to break what I build. >On Donnerstag, 12. Februar 2009, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: >> If someone (me[1]) reor

Re: [IAEP] activites known not to either work at all or not on?certin platforms

2009-02-12 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 02:29:15PM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote: >we could prepare sugar 0.83 (or 0.84) in experimental, as long as we >dont want it in unstable... Current packaging routines used for packaging Sugar for Debian cannot. (did I not write

Re: [IAEP] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms

2009-02-12 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi David (and others), [quotes reordered to not use TOFU[1] ] On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 09:38:20AM +0100, David Van Assche wrote: >On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: >> On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 01:16:19PM +0100, David Van Assche

Re: [IAEP] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms

2009-02-12 Thread David Van Assche
you mean lenny+1 then so we'lll see sugar 0.84 in debian in about 1.5 years? David P.S. The worst thing right now would be a fork from Debian for Ubuntu. We'd loose devs, credibility, major problems later down with a remerge... please lets try and find a way to get ubuntu being what it reall

Re: [IAEP] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms

2009-02-11 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 01:16:19PM +0100, David Van Assche wrote: >yes u are absolutly right... 0.84 is the focus now of every distro >(maybe excepting debian) Focus for Debian is latest upstream stable release, which means 0.84 when that is release

Re: [IAEP] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms

2009-02-11 Thread David Van Assche
yes u are absolutly right... 0.84 is the focus now of every distro (maybe excepting debian) we will fix this all, but please, let us not sa y is a releasable usable product for educators until weve tested it ALL and we all agree that this is indeed the produuct (which i need nonconvicnig of) that w

Re: [IAEP] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms

2009-02-11 Thread Aleksey Lim
Hi all, Reading this thread I've realized that there is a huge lack of target distro, many people work for various distros and the fact is - there is now fully featured sugar for at least one distro. I think we should choose *one* target distro for incoming 0.84 release. I don't mean choose it for

Re: [IAEP] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms

2009-02-10 Thread Caroline Meeks
Wade, Maybe if we were clearer on what needed to be done with activity testing and how to do it we could get more help. somewhere it would be good to have a place people could go to to know which activities to test (maybe even a rank order of what is important and untested) and how to report the

Re: [IAEP] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms

2009-02-10 Thread Caroline Meeks
Thanks David and if you need any modules installed let us know. On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 10:29 PM, David Van Assche wrote: > u do realise that it was me that set up the moodle infrastructure > right? except I a was alone... > > > nubae > > On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 4:26 AM, Wade Brainerd wrote: > >

Re: [IAEP] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms

2009-02-10 Thread Wade Brainerd
The purpose of the page is just to keep all the information in one place while we sort it out Feel free to email notes to us in another format and we'll post it. And I agree that not much testing has been done. David, my understanding of Moodle is that it's a user (educator or student) facing

Re: [IAEP] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms

2009-02-10 Thread Wade Brainerd
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:14 PM, David Van Assche wrote: > ok? I guess this will be contreversial but it must be said and acted > upon (much more importantly) Thanks for the frank report. Hopefully it will help spur some action :) It's also a good opportunity to highlight the work that *is* goi

Re: [IAEP] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms

2009-02-10 Thread Caroline Meeks
hmm, ok I find that page pretty confusing and hard to use but then I'm not a wiki is all type person. If its working for you and your the activity team then we should try to use it. Maybe you could cross link from the SoaS page. http://sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick I think our underlying pro

Re: [IAEP] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms

2009-02-10 Thread David Van Assche
u do realise that it was me that set up the moodle infrastructure right? except I a was alone... nubae On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 4:26 AM, Wade Brainerd wrote: > We are trying to gather activity status information at > http://sugarlabs.org/go/ActivityTeam/ActivityStatus - there is a 'soas' tag > w

Re: [IAEP] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms

2009-02-10 Thread Wade Brainerd
We are trying to gather activity status information at http://sugarlabs.org/go/ActivityTeam/ActivityStatus - there is a 'soas' tag which indicates the activity works on SoaS, any errors should be reported in the Remarks column. But despite a few public requests we haven't managed to get any SoaS t

Re: [IAEP] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms

2009-02-10 Thread Caroline Meeks
Do we have a place for testers to record the what works with which release? If not perhaps someone could set it up on the moodle system schools.sugarlab.org using the moodle database module: http://docs.moodle.org/en/Database_module On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:14 PM, David Van Assche wrote: > ok?

Re: [IAEP] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms

2009-02-10 Thread David Van Assche
you know what the irony is with all this... all we need to do to get those packs working is type ./configure --with-libabiword I know because I took the painful step of doing it in from source... this problem has now existed for 8 months... u tell me if that is acceptable or not. u know the worst

Re: [IAEP] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms

2009-02-10 Thread Carol Farlow Lerche
Frustration -- yup. However, let's try to come up with a way forward that solves the problem in the sort-of near term, and the frustration in the very near term. I too have been trying to run sugar on ubuntu and having frustration. So, what I think would minimize the frustration is a known place

[IAEP] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms

2009-02-10 Thread David Van Assche
ok? I guess this will be contreversial but it must be said and acted upon (much more importantly) Im gonna try and make this easy: SoaS - the latest fedora core based I tried to impress my 9 year old gescwister... (related one) Speak - it will not even launch why is it then on a disitributed