Re: [IAEP] Future Direction

2015-03-05 Thread Yoshiki Ohshima
On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 6:18 PM, Sora Edwards-Thro wrote: > On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 7:13 AM, Alan Kay wrote: >> >> But there are good materials for learning Etoys, especially in Spanish, >> and especially for teachers. > > > What Spanish materials exist? Regrettably, a big concentration of documen

Re: [IAEP] Future Direction

2015-03-05 Thread Sora Edwards-Thro
Kay >> To: Sora Edwards-Thro,Gonzalo Odiard >> >> Cc: IAEP SugarLabs, Tim Falconer >> , "support-g...@laptop.org" >> >> Subject: Re: [IAEP] Future Direction >> Message-ID: >> <1578652867.4886132.14255

Re: [IAEP] Future Direction

2015-03-05 Thread Tony Anderson
ar 2015 12:13:46 + (UTC) From: Alan Kay To: Sora Edwards-Thro, Gonzalo Odiard Cc: IAEP SugarLabs, Tim Falconer ,"support-g...@laptop.org" Subject: Re: [IAEP] Future Direction Message-ID: <1578652867.4886132.1425557626158.javamail.ya...@

Re: [IAEP] Future Direction

2015-03-05 Thread Alan Kay
uthority, and that is more important to them that in how well the children are learning). Cheers Alan From: Sora Edwards-Thro To: Gonzalo Odiard Cc: Alan Kay ; Tim Falconer ; IAEP SugarLabs ; "support-g...@laptop.org" Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 4:18 PM Subject: Re

Re: [IAEP] Future Direction

2015-03-04 Thread Sora Edwards-Thro
aders learn Etoys very easily but teachers find >> "the learning curve too steep" hmm >> >> Cheers >> >> Alan >> >> -- >> *From:* Bert Freudenberg >> *To:* Caryl Bigenho >> *Cc:* IAEP SugarLabs ;

Re: [IAEP] Future Direction

2015-03-04 Thread Gonzalo Odiard
mm > > Cheers > > Alan > > -- > *From:* Bert Freudenberg > *To:* Caryl Bigenho > *Cc:* IAEP SugarLabs ; Tim Falconer < > timo...@immuexa.com>; "support-g...@laptop.org" > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 4, 2015 11:57 AM > > *Subject:* Re: [I

Re: [IAEP] Future Direction

2015-03-04 Thread Tony Anderson
ameters and see what happens…. fun! Caryl Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2015 13:43:01 -0300 From: godi...@sugarlabs.org To: s...@unleashkids.org CC: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; tkk...@nurturingasia.com; tony_ander...@usa.net Subject: Re: [IAEP] Future Direction If we abandon etoys to maintain compat

Re: [IAEP] Future Direction

2015-03-04 Thread Tony Anderson
Hi, Gonzalo Must we rewrite 300 Sugar activities because Python is obsolete? If we are committed to Android, have we looked at making Python viable there? Are we facing lock-down on these machines or can we run Fedora/Sugar on a tablet without Android? If I understand you, then Etoys no longe

Re: [IAEP] Future Direction

2015-03-04 Thread Alan Kay
1:57 AM Subject: Re: [IAEP] Future Direction On 04.03.2015, at 10:44, Caryl Bigenho wrote: #yiv4324170632 #yiv4324170632 --.yiv4324170632hmmessage P{margin:0px;padding:0px;}#yiv4324170632 body.yiv4324170632hmmessage{font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri;}#yiv4324170632 Hi... Some thought

Re: [IAEP] Future Direction

2015-03-04 Thread Bert Freudenberg
shAndPlankton.017.pr <http://bertfreudenberg.github.io/SqueakJS/etoys/#fullscreen=true&document=http://freudenbergs.de/bert/squeakjs/FishAndPlankton.017.pr> - Bert - > Caryl > Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2015 13:43:01 -0300 > From: godi...@sugarlabs.org > To: s...@unleashkids.org

Re: [IAEP] Future Direction

2015-03-04 Thread Caryl Bigenho
g/showcase/project.jsp?id=7303 Try letting it run overnight with different starting parameters and see what happens…. fun! Caryl Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2015 13:43:01 -0300 From: godi...@sugarlabs.org To: s...@unleashkids.org CC: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; tkk...@nurturingasia.com; tony_ander...@usa.net

Re: [IAEP] Future Direction

2015-03-04 Thread Gonzalo Odiard
> > > >> If we abandon etoys to maintain compatibility with Fedora, what has the >> end-user gained? >> > We (SugarLabs) don't abandon etoys to maintain compatibility with Fedora. Fedora request a change on etoys, but Bert (who maintains etoys) is working for free, then we can't force him to dedica

Re: [IAEP] Future Direction

2015-03-03 Thread Sora Edwards-Thro
On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 10:58 PM, Tony Anderson wrote: > Adding the Gnome Desktop has been very helpful in selling educators that > the XO is an effective lead-in to their Windows Office oriented secondary > school curriculum. > Yes, principals and other stakeholders are generally extremely skept

Re: [IAEP] Future Direction

2015-03-03 Thread Tony Anderson
Hi, Gonzalo My sense is that a lot of the work in the past seven years has been in keeping Sugar up to date with the upstream system - getting Sugar as a desktop in Fedora was a major effort. As you point out, this effort was essential. Moving to first-class support for html5/css/javascript is