Re: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-26 Thread Ted MacNEIL
... And why were all those pages left blank intentionally ? ... We used to call that “The IBM oxymoron”. A page stating it's blank, by definition cannot be blank. -teD (The secret to success is sincerity. If you can fake that, you've got it made!) ---

pages marked as blank in IBM manuals

2005-06-26 Thread john gilmore
Ted MacNeil writes: We used to call that “The IBM oxymoron”. A page stating it's blank, by definition cannot be blank. This practice was defensive. IBM received too many, many too many, requests to replace these putatively defective blank pages. Bright-eyed readers apparently judged tha

Re: pages marked as blank in IBM manuals

2005-06-26 Thread Paul Hanrahan
I hadn't heard the term oxymoron until I'd been at IBM for a few years. We had a colloquialism in my family that was used in the same way oxymoron was. The colloquialism was, "a self contradiction," which I haven't heard anyone use in years. As an information development coordinator for the VM op

Re: pages marked as blank in IBM manuals

2005-06-26 Thread Steve Comstock
john gilmore wrote: Ted MacNeil writes: We used to call that “The IBM oxymoron”. A page stating it's blank, by definition cannot be blank. In our course materials we have pages that we want blank so that, for example, the next section will start on a right hand page. We have for years no

Oxygenated morons

2005-06-26 Thread ibm-main
From: "john gilmore" > > Use of 'oxymoron' in this sense has a long history, extending from the > Alexandrian rhetoricians forward through Milton, Voltaire, Burke, and I. A. > Richards. The cute folk etymology that relates 'oxymoron' to 'moron' has > less weight, and it of course marks its users

Re: z/OS future needs was Re: USS in a "legacy" world

2005-06-26 Thread Steve Comstock
Clark Morris wrote: [snip] The devil is in the details. I agree that changes to name lengths and use of Unicode will require drastic changes to the BCP but the combination of FBA and name length and character set changes will have a drastic impact on the JESs. The most important questions ar

IBM site for PTFs list

2005-06-26 Thread Shmuel Koller
I am looking for an IBM site which accepts a PTF search (not for a specific problem, but) for example CICS22 PTFs on PUT F504 CICS31 PTFs on PUT F505 I wish to get a list of PTFs as a series of words (tokens) e.g. UK03xxx, UK02yyy, UK01zzz Then I cut and paste this list in the IBM site for PT

Re: z/OS future needs was Re: USS in a "legacy" world

2005-06-26 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 6/26/2005 9:33:37 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Never have competing architectures (zSeries, iSeries, pSeries, etc. I still can't keep them all straight). Just the SA series. Think of the cost savings. Think of the simplicity. How you going to p

Re: Newsgroups (Was Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration

2005-06-26 Thread Jeffery Swagger
"Usenet" and "newsgroups" tend to be used interchangeably, but they're not strictly the same. The main line groups like comp.*, soc.* and so on are centrally administered by some organization whose name escapes me at the moment. In any case, you need a newsreader client to read/post to the groups

Re: Newsgroups (Was Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration

2005-06-26 Thread Steve Comstock
Jeffery Swagger wrote: "Usenet" and "newsgroups" tend to be used interchangeably, but they're not strictly the same. The main line groups like comp.*, soc.* and so on are centrally administered by some organization whose name escapes me at the moment. In any case, you need a newsreader client to

Re: Oxygenated morons

2005-06-26 Thread Ted MacNEIL
... The degeneration of 'oxymoron' to 'moron' has IMHO a lot to do on its usage in regard to politics/politicians ... I had never noticed that oxymoron had degenerated to 'moron'. And, that was not any part of my point. (It was a joke: not a very good one; a joke). -teD (The secret to success is

Re: Newsgroups (Was Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration

2005-06-26 Thread Steve Samson
Steve, Go to Tools-Account Settings to set up each newsgroup account. The one for IBM-MAIN as a newsgroup is any general newsgroup server, usually one provided by your ISP. If you can't get here that way, try Teranews.com. Once an account is set up, you may then subscribe to specific newsgrou

Re: Oxygenated morons

2005-06-26 Thread Bill Fairchild
In a message dated 6/26/2005 10:40:57 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The degeneration of 'oxymoron' to 'moron' has IMHO a lot to do on its usage in regard to politics/politicians I would like to expand the moronically associated usage to include all forms of govern

Re: Testing & symbols with JCL IF

2005-06-26 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, ibm-main said: > Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 00:25:20 +1000 > > From: "Matt Simpson"> > > This isn't quite as flexible as yours, but I got some JCL from a vendor > > that creatively inverted the usual way the test works. > ... > > An interesting way of twisting the provided f

Re: Newsgroups (Was Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration

2005-06-26 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 6/26/2005 10:19:06 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Usenet" and "newsgroups" tend to be used interchangeably, but they're not strictly the same. The main line groups like comp.*, soc.* and so on are centrally administered by some organization whose na

IBM alleged quote re: standards

2005-06-26 Thread Rich Greenberg
I have heard that at some point in time, an IBM official said something like: "Standards? We don't have to follow standards, we set standards." I have also heard it attributed to Bill Gates, but I think it predates Micro$oft. Does anybody (Sir Lynn?) have a definitive reference to: If someone

Re: Newsgroups (Was Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration

2005-06-26 Thread Steve Comstock
Steve Samson wrote: Steve, Go to Tools-Account Settings to set up each newsgroup account. The one for IBM-MAIN as a newsgroup is any general newsgroup server, usually one provided by your ISP. If you can't get here that way, try Teranews.com. Once an account is set up, you may then subscribe

Re: IBM alleged quote re: standards

2005-06-26 Thread Ted MacNEIL
... "Standards? We don't have to follow standards, we set standards." ... I honestly can't remember if I said this or somebody else did. When we were converting to SMS (16+ years ago), the quote about naming standards was: “The nice thing about standards is we have so many to choose from!” -

P390

2005-06-26 Thread Steve Heller
I have an IBM P390 that is available for sale, any interest? It is the 7 mip model, and has no internal dasd. Basically you are buying the IBM OS2 PC server with a P390 card. The unit has not run in 3 years and has just been sitting around. It did run fine last time it was plugged in. Pleas

Re: IBM alleged quote re: standards

2005-06-26 Thread R.S.
Ted MacNEIL wrote: ... "Standards? We don't have to follow standards, we set standards." ... I honestly can't remember if I said this or somebody else did. When we were converting to SMS (16+ years ago), the quote about naming standards was: “The nice thing about standards is we have so many

Re: IBM alleged quote re: standards

2005-06-26 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 6/26/2005 1:31:24 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Working as consultant (sometimes to reorganize and clean some env.) I noticed that "They have standards, no doubt. They use ANY OF THEM. Concurrently." >> As a vendor, they often time got boxed i

Re: CA-Faver2 compatibility

2005-06-26 Thread Gilbert Saint-Flour
Carlos A Bodra wrote: > Can I read CA-FAVER2 generated tapes under OS/390 using CA-FAVER2 VSE > and vice versa? There is no Faver2 in MVS, but recent versions of Faver/MVS will read tapes created in VSE with FAVER2 and restore the data sets they contain. I do not know if Faver2 can read tapes

Re: Help on SC03 abend

2005-06-26 Thread Gilbert Saint-Flour
Hello: Here's a simple way for an assembler sub-routine to avoid being deleted by COBOL at end-of-step: add these two lines plus a switch to ensure they are only executed once. IDENTIFY EP=X-X-X-X,ENTRY=* LOAD EP=X-X-X-X If X-X-X-X looks too weird to you, use any other name which does

Re: Oxygenated morons

2005-06-26 Thread Brad Jensen
The degeneration of 'oxymoron' to 'moron' has IMHO a lot to do on its usage in regard to politics/politicians Wouldn't that be 'reduction' in the chemical sense -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instru

Re: Newsgroups (Was Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration

2005-06-26 Thread Jeffery Swagger
I see that Steve Samson already posted some instructions for you. If you're still having trouble let me know and maybe I can send you some screen shots of the config panels or something. -- Jeff Steve Comstock said the following on 06/26/2005 11:25 AM: Jeffery Swagger wrote: "Usenet" and "new

Re: ISKE/IVSK

2005-06-26 Thread Edward E. Jaffe
Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 06/24/2005 at 12:48 AM, "Edward E. Jaffe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: IDENTIFY cannot be used to convert an "unnamed" area of virtual storage into a module with a CDE. Are you a betting man? It works only for that virtua

OMVS "find" command

2005-06-26 Thread Shane Ginnane
This just has to be too easy - what am I missing ???. How do I do the equivalent of a "find -iname ..." under z/OS UNIX ???. Currently I just pipe the output of a global find into grep (with -i). Is there an option to "find" I'm missing ???. Shane ... CONFIDENTIAL The information contained in t

Re: pages marked as blank in IBM manuals

2005-06-26 Thread Ed Gould
On Jun 26, 2005, at 9:23 AM, Steve Comstock wrote: john gilmore wrote: Ted MacNeil writes: We used to call that “The IBM oxymoron”. A page stating it's blank, by definition cannot be blank. In our course materials we have pages that we want blank so that, for example, the next section wil

Re: OMVS "find" command

2005-06-26 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, Shane Ginnane said: > Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 10:19:06 +1000 > > This just has to be too easy - what am I missing ???. > You're missing GNU find. > How do I do the equivalent of a "find -iname ..." under z/OS UNIX ???. > Currently I just pipe the output of a global fin

Re: OMVS "find" command

2005-06-26 Thread Shane Ginnane
Thanks gil - due to my general dis-enchantment with the z/OS implementation, I've not chased the tools at all. Maybe I'll have to get off my butt, and have a look at installing some (at long last). Cheers ... Shane > > > > This just has to be too easy - what am I missing ???. > > > You're miss

Re: pages marked as blank in IBM manuals

2005-06-26 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, john gilmore said: > Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 13:13:04 + > > It is almost certainly too late to recover the legitimate use of 'oxymoron' > here; but it is perhaps worth noting that its original and still its only > legitimate use is as a rhetorical figure that states a

oxymora, proper and improper

2005-06-26 Thread john gilmore
Paul Gilmartin writes: I hadn't understood that; I'm not sure I do yet. Can you enlighten us with examples of a fully legitimate oxymoron and a conventional, illegitimate oxymoron. Proper oxymora are not far to seek. A famous double one is Tennyson's. Writing of Lancelot, already guil

Re: SMS report

2005-06-26 Thread Wang Rong
Hi all, Thank you for your reply. I have used naviquest batch job to produce some information from dcollect output, but can't find the directory information of PDS. I want to obtain the directory full information from the dcollect output though I know that tso command listdsi can do that (need

Another New Red Book of General Interest

2005-06-26 Thread Ed Gould
Systems Programmer's Guide to Resource Recovery Services (RRS) Revised: June 23, 2005 ISBN: 0738490768 178 pages Explore the book online at http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg246980.html Abstract This IBM Redbook gives you a broad understanding of the Resource Recovery Services (RRS) env

Re: SMS report

2005-06-26 Thread Scott Barry
The DCOLLECT data does not provide PDS directory information, only a list of candidate PDS libraries (DSORG bit test in the "D" record). REXX and LISTDSI will return the PDS directory blocks allocated/used information. Scott Barry SBBWorks, Inc. __ Hi all, Thank you for your repl

Re: OMVS "find" command

2005-06-26 Thread Shane Ginnane
In a recent note, gil said: > > You're missing GNU find. > ... it may be on the Tools and Toys Redbook CD. > It was, and it (the binary) works fine on limited testing at z/OS 1.5 although allegedly compiled only on a OS/390 2.9 system. Thanks - will keep looking around. Shane ... ---

Re: Washington Post: 40 Million Credit Card #s Hacked

2005-06-26 Thread Wayne Driscoll
On Windows XP, use -L. Wayne Driscoll Product Developer Western Metal Supply NOTE: All opinions are strictly my own. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Craddock, Chris Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 10:33 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.ED

Re: Washington Post: 40 Million Credit Card #s Hacked

2005-06-26 Thread Ted MacNEIL
... On Windows XP, use -L ... Not on mine -- “L” is for “Logoff” “K” is for “locK”. -teD (The secret to success is sincerity. If you can fake that, you've got it made!) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access inst